John M.... on second examination.... not bad..... I need to look over
it again though and see if I can reply.
On Jul 7, 8:29 am, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lots of *mouse*-traps written in this and
> God? Truth? Reality? even: 'physical world' - goes on and on. Our thoughts
> (human)? imagination? experiential vs. experiential (Incl. Kim's French
> explanation) are un-finishable qualms online. Bruno involves himself based
> on his professional knowledge in arithmetic (human?) logic and a long
> standing UNBROKEN line of research. I change.
> I KNOW (in my agnostic worldview - <G>) that there is an info-transfer into
> 'us' from the limitless complexity (I base it on history, comparing the
> epistemic enrichment over long periods of human development) what we include
> into our "mini-solipsism" about the world.
> It all is* adjusted* by our genetic tool-structure (brain-function) modified
> by our so far accepted experience (in memory?) plus other factors we are not
> aware of. So it all IS a personalized view of the 'world' (existence,
> totality, wholeness, limitless complexity - you name it) unique for each of
> us as the immune system, DNA, or fingerprint. We SHARE a lot according to
> cultural bases and so it becomes OUR VIEW of the world (call it: ongoing
> conventional science). Expressed as *'our reality'*: it is a
> *PERCEIVED*one. A figment.
> During our ages of early mental development when phenomena 'reached us'
> without proper explanatory base-knowledge (not excluded the 'wisdom' of the
> Old Greeks and Hindus) the "speculation" was not restricted by factual
> limitations, so the smart thinkers could be really SMART, inventive and
> surprising. There was always a trend to "explain" which led to the invention
> of explanations, believed and introduced into science. They staid - even
> People made systems of their belief - scientific, religious, - and
> established their worldview accordingly. They are wrong, - I did the same,
> but I am right -- The position of all of us.
> Monotheists have the hard time to dismiss the hateful acts of god and keep
> the "Good Lord" image. Polytheists create separate gods for the bad deeds.
> Believers (the faithful) take the hearsay and formulate their systems
> In the Crusades the Christians prayed to Christ (God) to kill the
> unfaithful, the Muslims to Allah, to kill the infidels. The Israelites asked
> "The God of Israel" to kill the opponents, the Greeks, Vikings, Germanic
> etc. applied to specific 'gods' to favor THEIR goals. One side wins, one is
> at a loss, one 'hero' survives, another dies, all have prayed religiously.
> In science the theories fight, all of them 'believed' to be true by devoted
> scientists - based on reputable people who taught them.
> We have 'humanly' devised ideas (from religion through sciences to math,)
> and logic to serve our thinking capabilities. Our ideas do not restrict
> Nature (the world) but gives some comfort to those who seek the "TRUTH".
> Everybody in all directions.
> Vocabularies are composed according to the belief systems and the diverse
> meanings do not match: every system "proves" it's own vocabulary and denies
> the rest of them.
> Finally a word on the Theory(s?) of Everything:
> Since we get more and more from the still unknown unlimited complexity of
> the totality and the old inventories proved incomplete even in today's
> knowledge, we may not claim to know what "everything' means, eo ipso we
> cannot make theories on unknowable. I find it a game to speak even within
> the "physical" segment - not only with past discoveries like electricity,
> radioactivity, etc., but 'known' unknowable like gravitation, mass, matter
> Nobody knows, what may be the next epistemic 'surprise' emerging in our
> John M
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >> Now that's truly silly. If we are God then we would know everything and
> >> know everything we certainly do not.
> > But would God not know what it is like to be you? To know that would
> > require forgetting, at least temporarily, one is God.
> > Jason
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