John Mikes wrote: > > Dear "benjamin" if this is your name (benjayk?) > Yep.
John Mikes wrote: > > I believe this post is not 'joining' the chorus of the debate. Or is it? > Benjayk wrote: > "*Consciousness is simply a given"* > OK, if you just disclose ANYTHING about it as you formulate that 'given'. > Your(?) logic seems alright that if it is 'originated' upon numbers then > the > * 'consciousness-based' *numbers are a consequence of a consequence (or > prerequisite to a prerequisite). > I am not decrying the 'origin' of consciousness, rather its entire > concept > - what it may contain, include, act with, by, for, result in, - or else we > may not even know about today.. > Then I may stipulate about an origin for it. Sorry, I can't follow you... You do not accept the concept of consciousness and then want an origin for it? John Mikes wrote: > > * ---"EXISTS?"---* as WHAT? > I volunteered on many discussion lists a defining generalization:* > response > to relations, * > (originally: *to information*, which turned out to be a loose cannon). In > such general view it is not restricted to animates, in-animates, physical > objects, ideas, or more, since the 'relations' are quite ubiquitous even > beyond the limited circle of our knowledge. In such sense:* it exists*, > indeed. > Not (according to me) in *THOSE *systems, but everywhere. ??? benjayk -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Mathematical-closure-of-consciousness-and-computation-tp31771136p32213960.html Sent from the Everything List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
