On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > Smarter is legitimately ambiguous >
It's not ambiguous in the slightest, according to you it's all very clear cut: if a human does it then it's smart and if a computer does it then it's not. Nothing could be simpler, or stupider. > No. They can out compute us. They can measure more units of Shannon > information per second. > Call it whatever you want but computers can figure out, think, calculate or compute ways to arrange things their way despite our best efforts to arrange things our way. That situation is usually described as "being outsmarted". > Denying the common usage of the word free will The common usage of "free will" is gibberish and I could no more deny it than I could deny a burp. > as autonomy or conscious choice is an egotistical defense mechanism > that I don't take seriously. And despite the torrent of mindless verbiage you produce whenever I mention it, the simple fact remains that a choice, conscious or otherwise, was made for a reason or it was made for no reason. > If you ask people whether computers are smart, what will they say?" I don't give a damn what they say I care what they do. If the computer has outsmarted a person and then that same person starts saying that the computer isn't really smart, well, I don't understand how anyone could hear such self serving remarks without laughing. > I have defined trivial intelligence vs understanding, You understand the problem superbly but can not solve it, but the other fellow has no understanding of the problem at all but nevertheless can solve it. BALONEY! That's just sour grapes and making lame excuses for your failure and for the other fellow's success. It may hurt your pride but its time to face reality, the other fellow is just smarter than you. > Without free will, what would be the difference between killing someone > and not killing them? In one case somebody is dead in the other case they are not. > Logic is a way of making sense, but it is not the only way. > I see, you're not even attempting to make your views logical. > It occurs to me that the occidental mindset has a hard time noticing that > there are other parties involved in matters of negotiation and reason. > That's the fourth time you've made a tasteless crack about occidentals; is it supposed to be less offensive than talking about a stereotypical "oriental mindset" or "negro mindset"? It occurs to me that you just don't like round eyed white devils very much. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.