2012/3/16 John Clark <[email protected]> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM, David Nyman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is intended by "the first person are no duplicable from their first >> person point of view" is just the mundane assumption that any subjective >> point of view is always limited to that of a single, localised individual. > > > Evolution has created us to be comfortable with that mundane assumption > because the environment does not contain duplicating chambers, but there is > nothing physically impossible or logically self contradictory about such > machines. So the idea that a subjective point of view is always limited to > that of a localized single individual is just that, a mundane assumption > that worked well in the past but not necessarily in the future and is > certainly not a law of nature, just a rule of thumb that has worked pretty > well up to know. > > >This is very far from being any kind of "mystical" claim > > > It's as mystical as the Roman Catholic idea of transubstantiation, > although all scientific tests say it's just like bread and wine they claim > there is a ENORMOUS difference and now it's really the body and blood of > GOD; and in my symmetrical room thought experiment all scientific tests say > there is no difference between the original and the copy, and even the two > themselves can not subjectively tell themselves apart, yet you insist there > is still a ENORMOUS difference between the two. Compared to that the > Catholic's idea is almost sensible. > > >> >it's just a statement about the limitations of ordinary experience. >> > > Yes, but duplicating chambers are not ordinary, they involve extraordinary > experience. > > > since by assumption each successor must be restricted to a single, >> localised experience That's the whole point of this step in the UDA >> reasoning. > > > I know, and that's exactly the problem. > > > Can we accept it and move on? >> > > You can do whatever you want, as for me I believe if a proof makes a > blunder in the first sentence there is no point in reading more. >
So your point is that you would feel at both place at once ??? If that's not an extraordinary claim... don't know what is. Quentin > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
