2012/3/16 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM, David Nyman <da...@davidnyman.com> wrote:
>
> > What is intended by "the first person are no duplicable from their first
>> person point of view" is just the mundane assumption that any subjective
>> point of view is always limited to that of a single, localised individual.
>
>
> Evolution has created us to be comfortable with that mundane assumption
> because the environment does not contain duplicating chambers, but there is
> nothing physically impossible or logically self contradictory about such
> machines. So the idea that a  subjective point of view is always limited to
> that of a localized single individual is just that, a mundane assumption
> that worked well in the past but not necessarily in the future and is
> certainly not a law of nature, just a rule of thumb that has worked pretty
> well up to know.
>
> >This is very far from being any kind of "mystical" claim
>
>
> It's as mystical as the Roman Catholic idea of transubstantiation,
> although all scientific tests say it's just like bread and wine they claim
> there is a ENORMOUS difference and now it's really the body and blood of
> GOD; and in my symmetrical room thought experiment all scientific tests say
> there is no difference between the original and the copy, and even the two
> themselves can not subjectively tell themselves apart, yet you insist there
> is still a ENORMOUS difference between the two. Compared to that the
> Catholic's idea is almost sensible.
>
>
>> >it's just a statement about the limitations of ordinary experience.
>>
>
> Yes, but duplicating chambers are not ordinary, they involve extraordinary
> experience.
>
> > since by assumption each successor must be restricted to a single,
>> localised experience That's the whole point of this step in the UDA
>> reasoning.
>
>
> I know, and that's exactly the problem.
>
> > Can we accept it and move on?
>>
>
> You can do whatever you want, as for me I believe if a proof makes a
> blunder in the first sentence there is no point in reading more.
>

So your point is that you would feel at both place at once ??? If that's
not an extraordinary claim... don't know what is.

Quentin

>
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