On 4/8/2012 5:52 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/4/8 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 4/8/2012 6:04 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:30 AM, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net
But is it an empirical question? What would it mean for
find zombies"? We have some idea what it would mean to find a
seemingly purposeful sequence of brain processes begin without any
cause. But I'm not sure what test you would perform on a zombie to
that it was not conscious. I think if we had a very detailed
of the human brain we might be able to study and intelligent robot
zombie android at the same level and say something like, "This
probably experiences numbers differently than people." But if it
acted exactly like a human, we wouldn't be able to say what the
was. Of course humans don't all act the same, some have
example. So we might be able to say this zombie sees numbers with
but this would show up in the zombies actions too.
It's not an empirical question since no experiment can prove that it
isn't a zombie. However, I think that the question can be approached
analytically. If zombies were possible then zombie brain components
would be possible. If zombie brain components were possible then it
would be possible to make a being that is a partial zombie;
That doesn't follow. It assmes that zombieness is an attribute of
than of their functional organization. There can obviously be zombie
components (e.g. quarks and electrons) which when properly assembled produce
I could only say you're right and you're wrong. Consciousness and being is "lived" as a
whole. From your own POV, you can't say "zombieness is an attribute of components rather
than of their functional organization", because you feel it.
I didn't say it. I said that was what Stathis argument assumed.
Whenever you say such thing, you can't be honest with yourself... that's not an
argument. It's just proper English
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