Silly "Subject": so far nobody could tell *H O W* * *a *brain*(tissue-comp?) could *MIND *a*nything? (*react, maybe. )
I still wait for a refusal to my statement that there "may" not be any FREE will in a partially known environment with unknown factors yet influencing (all?) the occurrences? In the future course of the so far ever increasing knowledge-base there is always a chance for an initiation of a factor we don't know today and instigates what we THINK is free will based. What I read about 'feeling' fits perfectly my agnosticism. Thank you. On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:36 AM, 1Z <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 6:54 pm, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Apr 7, 3:43 pm, 1Z <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 1:37 pm, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Stathis and Brent, > > > > > > I'll respond to both at once since they are the same core objection: > > > > > > "Why does feeling have to have "purpose"? " > > > > > > "I can't even conceive of what it would mean for them > > > > to be justified. " > > > > > > They have to be justified and have a purpose because that is what a > > > > deterministic universe would require. > > > > > Nope. Determinism requires efficient causes,, > > > not final causes or purposes. > > > > What do you say the efficient cause of feeling is? > > Some priori brain state. > > > > > Otherwise I can just say that a > > > > deterministic universe includes libertarian free will, ghosts & > > > > goblins, whatever. > > > > > Libertarian free will contradicts the requirment > > > for sufficent causes. > > > > No more than feeling. > > No, Feeling isn't defined in terms of the presence or absence > of any kind of determinism or causality. > > > >The others don;t contradict determinism. > > > > Why not? > > They are not defined in terms of it or its absence. > > > > > What business does a feeling have being in a > > > > universe that is essentially a very sophisticated clock? > > > > > Something happened that would cause a feeling. > > > > Are you being serious? > > Yes. Why shouldn't you have laws of the form > "If <<see kitten>> then <<feel warm and gooey>>" ? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
