On 4/26/2012 8:58 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:02 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
On 4/26/2012 7:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Apr 26, 4:34 pm, graytiger<dirk.vanglab...@gmail.com>    wrote:
'I'm talking about the existence of feeling as a phenomenon in the
universe. It makes no sense logically. '
Why not? Feelings cause brain and body states that could be usefull
from the point of evolution.
I don't think that there is any possibility that any evolutionary
advantage could be derived of the fact of feeling itself. Any benefit
conferred by feeling would be redundant as long as you have the
functionality that you are attributing to that feeling. Only behavior
can count for evolution, not feeling.
But behavior comes from internal states, e.g. adrenalie, testosterone,..., and 
that's feeling.

Molecules aren't internal states, they are objects in space. We
associate them with feeling because we are conditioned with a
worldview which has not yet challenged that assumption. All that we
really know is that that the certain molecular activity occurs at the
same time in roughly the same place (local to a person-body) as
feelings. Testosterone or adrenaline in a test tube don't cause the
test tube to feel anything (except maybe contact with a substance of a
particular density and temperature or something), so they are
definitely not feelings.

A small injection will convince you that they are feelings.

Brent

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