On 27 Apr 2012, at 05:02, meekerdb wrote:

On 4/26/2012 7:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:34 pm, graytiger<[email protected]>  wrote:
'I'm talking about the existence of feeling as a phenomenon in the
universe. It makes no sense logically. '

Why not? Feelings cause brain and body states that could be usefull
from the point of evolution.
I don't think that there is any possibility that any evolutionary
advantage could be derived of the fact of feeling itself. Any benefit
conferred by feeling would be redundant as long as you have the
functionality that you are attributing to that feeling. Only behavior
can count for evolution, not feeling.

But behavior comes from internal states, e.g. adrenalie, testosterone,..., and that's feeling.

Here I agree with Craig's answer to this. I don't think adrenalin, testosterone or any molecules *is* feeling. They are just messenger in some complex processes, which, in the comp theory, can play a role in given feeling to a conscious feeling. Adrenaline is no more feeling that a register in deep blue's computer can be a clever idea in the game of chess. A feeling is just not a molecule. That does not make sense. Molecules can play an important role for feelings in our local physical implementations, but that's all.

Bruno




Brent

A brain that behaves in a way
that makes the body survive and reproduce needs no help from some
magical interior narrative experience created out of thin air.

Craig


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