On Jun 8, 3:00 pm, Pzomby <htra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied > consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, > emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of > observations of the physical universe and its processes.

We can create models for ourselves, but nothing else in the universe reads them that way. > > This assumes that the actual observable physical universe is > exemplified by, and is, instantiations of, mathematics and > computations. > > 1) Does this mean that mathematics is *en-coded* as formulas in matter > and energy? If so that would mean that mathematics is either: a) encoded in something other than mathematics - if so, whatever it is that math can be encoded into (matter) makes encoding redundant and unexplainable. If you have something other than math, then why does math need to be encoded as it? b) encoded as some other mathematical formula - if so, then the appearance of the encoded non-math is redundant and unexplainable. > > 2) If so, are models, simulations, emulations, depictions, > replications, representations, a mathematical computational *decoding* > of an *en-coded* mathematical physical reality? They are a partial decoding. The modeling process allows our mind to recover some essential sense experience of the physics, thereby superimposing a supersignifying abstraction layer on our experience of it's reality. My view in a nutshell: Sense is not an emergent property of information. Significance is a recovered property* of sense. Matter is a form of significance. A sensible persistence through time which we perceive as volume-densities divided from us and each other by space. To be informed is to recover significance through sense. Sense is primordial, concrete, essential, and viscerally real. Information is a derivative, redundant term which models sense from a hypothetical third person view (a view which, taken literally, could only be that of a formless, non-sense, omniscient voyeur), rendering consciousness a generic, sterile, and meaningless wireframe of experience. Extrapolating a worldview based on this inversion of sense-making and inert data is useful for modeling computation but is catastrophic if applied literally to consciousness, as it makes life, order, emotion, and intelligence itself into a meaningless function for the sake of function. It makes sense into a kind of non-sense. Craig *By recovered property I mean that significance cannot emerge from nothing, it can only be recovered or discovered from everything. Consciousness is a splinter or temporal diffraction of the cosmos as a whole, which, when experienced outside of ‘our world’ (umwelt, perceptual inertial frame, or cumulative history of perception), would be an undiffracted totality or eternal instant…devoid of everything except absence of any absence and filled with nothing except the presence of presence …and I mean that in the most non-mystical and unambiguous sense (/ Cheshire grin) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.