2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru>
> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
>> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
>> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
>>>> Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
>>>> consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
>>>> emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of
>>>> observations of the physical universe and its processes.
>>>> This assumes that the actual observable physical universe is
>>>> exemplified by, and is, instantiations of, mathematics and
>>> Why not assume that model is different from what is modeled?
>> That is usually the case. But this does not mean that it is always
>> the case. In particular digital "processes", or relations, can be
>> emulated exactly, so if you assume the brain is a natural computer,
>> there are possible "exact model", like a digital brain and its
>> corresponding relative state in arithmetic. From the 1p-view, those
>> cannot be distinguished in any immediate way.
>> If I simulate a typhoon on a computer in front of you, you will never
>> become wet by it. But if I read and cut you, and simulate with that
>> computer "you + the typhoon" at the right comp level (assuming it
>> exists) then you will, in that case, feel to be wet due to the
>> simulated typhoon. Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet
>> the relative arithmetical entities (with comp).
> But then even in this case, I distinguish between a typhoon on a computer
> in front of me and a real typhoon. I mean that let us assume comp for a
> moment. Let me agree with you for a moment that
> arithmetics -> mind -> physics
> Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a computer cluster at
> work, well I do not see it there but rather access but I guess this does
> not matter). In other words, even after having accepted your theorem, I do
> not observe that the typhoon in the computer in front of me makes me wet.
> Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't expect that...
Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet the relative
arithmetical entities (with comp)."
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