2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru> > On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: > > >> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> >> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: >>> >>>> Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied >>>> consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, >>>> emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of >>>> observations of the physical universe and its processes. >>>> >>>> This assumes that the actual observable physical universe is >>>> exemplified by, and is, instantiations of, mathematics and >>>> computations. >>>> >>> >>> Why not assume that model is different from what is modeled? >>> >> >> That is usually the case. But this does not mean that it is always >> the case. In particular digital "processes", or relations, can be >> emulated exactly, so if you assume the brain is a natural computer, >> there are possible "exact model", like a digital brain and its >> corresponding relative state in arithmetic. From the 1p-view, those >> cannot be distinguished in any immediate way. >> >> If I simulate a typhoon on a computer in front of you, you will never >> become wet by it. But if I read and cut you, and simulate with that >> computer "you + the typhoon" at the right comp level (assuming it >> exists) then you will, in that case, feel to be wet due to the >> simulated typhoon. Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet >> the relative arithmetical entities (with comp). >> > > But then even in this case, I distinguish between a typhoon on a computer > in front of me and a real typhoon. I mean that let us assume comp for a > moment. Let me agree with you for a moment that > > arithmetics -> mind -> physics > > Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a computer cluster at > work, well I do not see it there but rather access but I guess this does > not matter). In other words, even after having accepted your theorem, I do > not observe that the typhoon in the computer in front of me makes me wet. > > Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't expect that... Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet the relative arithmetical entities (with comp)."
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