On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of observations of the physical universe and its processes. This assumes that the actual observable physical universe is exemplified by, and is, instantiations of, mathematics and computations.Why not assume that model is different from what is modeled?

`That is usually the case. But this does not mean that it is always the`

`case. In particular digital "processes", or relations, can be emulated`

`exactly, so if you assume the brain is a natural computer, there are`

`possible "exact model", like a digital brain and its corresponding`

`relative state in arithmetic. From the 1p-view, those cannot be`

`distinguished in any immediate way.`

`If I simulate a typhoon on a computer in front of you, you will never`

`become wet by it. But if I read and cut you, and simulate with that`

`computer "you + the typhoon" at the right comp level (assuming it`

`exists) then you will, in that case, feel to be wet due to the`

`simulated typhoon. Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet`

`the relative arithmetical entities (with comp).`

Bruno

For example the impedance model of a Li-ion battery http://www.unibw.de/eit8_2/forschung-en/projekte/battery/battery is not the Li-ion battery. Even the Newman model of a Li-ion battery http://www.cadfem.de/uploads/pics/EMobilitaet-01_w530.jpg is not the Li-ion battery.By the way, when you talk about a representation, you come to theterritory of semiotics (the world of signs)http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/peirce-semiotics/"What we see here is Peirce's basic claim that signs consist ofthree interrelated parts: a sign, an object, and an interpretant."From such a viewpoint, simulation as such represents nothing. Evgenii1) Does this mean that mathematics is *en-coded* as formulas in matter and energy? 2) If so, are models, simulations, emulations, depictions, replications, representations, a mathematical computational *decoding* of an *en-coded* mathematical physical reality? Thanks--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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