2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru>

> On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
>
>  2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru>
>>
>>  On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
>>>>>> consciousness can (using computers) create models,
>>>>>> simulations, emulations, depictions, replications,
>>>>>> representations etc. of observations of the physical universe
>>>>>> and its processes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This assumes that the actual observable physical universe is
>>>>>> exemplified by, and is, instantiations of, mathematics and
>>>>>> computations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why not assume that model is different from what is modeled?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That is usually the case. But this does not mean that it is
>>>> always the case. In particular digital "processes", or relations,
>>>> can be emulated exactly, so if you assume the brain is a natural
>>>> computer, there are possible "exact model", like a digital brain
>>>> and its corresponding relative state in arithmetic. From the
>>>> 1p-view, those cannot be distinguished in any immediate way.
>>>>
>>>> If I simulate a typhoon on a computer in front of you, you will
>>>> never become wet by it. But if I read and cut you, and simulate
>>>> with that computer "you + the typhoon" at the right comp level
>>>> (assuming it exists) then you will, in that case, feel to be wet
>>>> due to the simulated typhoon. Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons
>>>> can make wet the relative arithmetical entities (with comp).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But then even in this case, I distinguish between a typhoon on a
>>> computer in front of me and a real typhoon. I mean that let us
>>> assume comp for a moment. Let me agree with you for a moment that
>>>
>>> arithmetics ->  mind ->  physics
>>>
>>> Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a computer
>>> cluster at work, well I do not see it there but rather access but I
>>> guess this does not matter). In other words, even after having
>>> accepted your theorem, I do not observe that the typhoon in the
>>> computer in front of me makes me wet.
>>>
>>>  Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't expect
>> that...
>> Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet the
>> relative arithmetical entities (with comp)."
>>
>
> Nothing special, I agree. Yet, let us imagine that we are at the same
> level. Let me assume that I am in simulation. Yet, even being in
> simulation, my simulated computer

??
No it will make your simulated self in the simulated computer wet... but
your simulated self in front of a simulated computer simulating you in
front of a typhoon will not... same thing you (the 1st level simulated you)
are *not* at the same level (as the simulated simulated you).

Quentin


> in front of simulated myself will not make simulated myself wet.
>
> Evgenii
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "Everything List" group.
> To post to this group, send email to 
> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@
> **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**
> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en>
> .
>
>


-- 
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

Reply via email to