2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi <[email protected]> > On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: > > 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<[email protected]> >> >> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: >>> >>> >>> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>>> >>>> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied >>>>>> consciousness can (using computers) create models, >>>>>> simulations, emulations, depictions, replications, >>>>>> representations etc. of observations of the physical universe >>>>>> and its processes. >>>>>> >>>>>> This assumes that the actual observable physical universe is >>>>>> exemplified by, and is, instantiations of, mathematics and >>>>>> computations. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Why not assume that model is different from what is modeled? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That is usually the case. But this does not mean that it is >>>> always the case. In particular digital "processes", or relations, >>>> can be emulated exactly, so if you assume the brain is a natural >>>> computer, there are possible "exact model", like a digital brain >>>> and its corresponding relative state in arithmetic. From the >>>> 1p-view, those cannot be distinguished in any immediate way. >>>> >>>> If I simulate a typhoon on a computer in front of you, you will >>>> never become wet by it. But if I read and cut you, and simulate >>>> with that computer "you + the typhoon" at the right comp level >>>> (assuming it exists) then you will, in that case, feel to be wet >>>> due to the simulated typhoon. Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons >>>> can make wet the relative arithmetical entities (with comp). >>>> >>>> >>> But then even in this case, I distinguish between a typhoon on a >>> computer in front of me and a real typhoon. I mean that let us >>> assume comp for a moment. Let me agree with you for a moment that >>> >>> arithmetics -> mind -> physics >>> >>> Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a computer >>> cluster at work, well I do not see it there but rather access but I >>> guess this does not matter). In other words, even after having >>> accepted your theorem, I do not observe that the typhoon in the >>> computer in front of me makes me wet. >>> >>> Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't expect >> that... >> Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make wet the >> relative arithmetical entities (with comp)." >> > > Nothing special, I agree. Yet, let us imagine that we are at the same > level. Let me assume that I am in simulation. Yet, even being in > simulation, my simulated computer
?? No it will make your simulated self in the simulated computer wet... but your simulated self in front of a simulated computer simulating you in front of a typhoon will not... same thing you (the 1st level simulated you) are *not* at the same level (as the simulated simulated you). Quentin > in front of simulated myself will not make simulated myself wet. > > Evgenii > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%[email protected]>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
