On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> On 15 Aug 2012, at 14:46, Roger wrote:
> But humans are not entirely governed from outside, they have their own
> agendas.
> We have a top level agenda: maximise self-satisfaction, and minimize
> self-dissatisfaction. This can be programmed in very few lines, but needs a
> very long time to bring sophisticated being like us.
But doesn't concept or computation of "self" makes this statement on self's
agenda much less clear than it looks?

Is "self" some conceptual cartoon or program, like individual isolated
humanist "bag-of-flesh + brain soup", a consumer in a market with bank
account, a career, set of personal experiences, a class idea, is it a
tribal idea, or is it some esoteric notion of "Gaian world soul", a family
notion etc.?

Assuming that some form of opportunism is a default operating system or
theology, with a high success rate in this local history/geography, leads
to question: why complicate things with "gods, religions, truth, science,
art, progress, their distinctions" or any other set of ideologies?"

Further, are these attempts at framing "the self's" fundamental operating
processes, merely a sort of Kant transcendental mask for different flavors
of opportunism, a vain ticket to convincing ourselves of increased

I wish you all good songs,

PGC aka Mark

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