Theories always refer to physical entities. Otherwise they are unless. In string theory the monads supernatural entities but still part of nature.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > In my opinion, the CYM is only extended geometrically on paper. > In a theory, not physically. > > Although they describe what actually happens physically, they themselves, > being theory, are unextended. > > It's just like the Pythagorean Theory. It doesn't exist physically as > triangles ihn space, it only exists on paper. > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 8/22/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> > *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > *Time:* 2012-08-22, 06:56:13 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection > > Agreed Roger, except that the CYM monads have extension. > The physical laws you speak of are in human imagination > and seemingly not extended, > but there is necessarily a substantial manifestation of them... > The supernatural of course extends across the entire universe. > Richard > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Physical law is unextended, while physical objects are extended. >> >> As I understand it, Nature is extended while Supernature is not. >> >> So I could call physical law supernatural. >> >> >> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >> 8/22/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >> everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> *Time:* 2012-08-21, 08:12:42 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection >> >> Roger, >> You are mistaken. The universe is based on physical laws despite the >> existence of a supernatural, which I take to be based in the collective set >> of monads. >> >> The way in which the monads manifest the physical laws and constants of >> nature is a bonified subject of science, just are the study of COMP is. >> They may even be related except for the multiverse aspect of COMP. >> Richard >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> I also believe in science. But if you're trying to trash religion >>> with science, science hasn't a clue nor a tool nor the proper >>> concepts to even begin with the task. Science does not know >>> what the meaning of anything is. Period. >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 8/21/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>> everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> >>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>> *Time:* 2012-08-20, 11:18:57 >>> *Subject:* Re: divine selection versus natural selection >>> >>> Roger, >>> >>> Divine selection and natural selection are sourced, >>> however at differing levels of information integration, >>> in the "universal�CYM monad�subspace". >>> >>> Belief can also be a product of science. >>> I believe science. >>> Richard >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Bruno Marchal >>>> According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and >>>> that trust >>>> does not come from you, it is a gift from God.�We have nothing to do >>>> with it, >>>> at least that isa what we Lutherns believe. >>>> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net >>>> 8/20/2012 >>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>>> everything could function." >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> *From:* Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> >>>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10 >>>> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked >>>> semanticfield(mind). >>>> >>>> On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>>> >>>> > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that >>>> > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If >>>> > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not >>>> > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is >>>> > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone. >>>> >>>> I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The >>>> reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by >>>> self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the >>>> > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics >>>> > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope >>>> > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists >>>> > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between >>>> > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division. >>>> >>>> But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from >>>> their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different. >>>> And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already >>>> reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between >>>> woman and man, east and west, yin and yang. >>>> >>>> Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny >>>> appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other >>>> pole. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian >>>> > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the >>>> > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics. >>>> > >>>> > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. >>>> >>>> I concur. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and >>>> > within new organization. >>>> >>>> Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the >>>> level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative >>>> arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by >>>> > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic >>>> > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over >>>> > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the >>>> > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But >>>> > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries >>>> > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a >>>> > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever. >>>> >>>> OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and >>>> religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs >>>> leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense >>>> for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the >>>> military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run. >>>> >>>> And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the >>>> long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection >>>> can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later. >>>> What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and >>>> spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of >>>> private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best >>>> tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think. >>>> >>>> To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the >>>> academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all >>>> others!). >>>> >>>> Bruno >>>> >>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> everything-list@googlegroups.com.<+everything-list@googlegroups.com.> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ >>>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. <+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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