Of course theories are not the physical entities. But the laws of physics are a good approximation of how the universe works and string theory just says where they come from.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Yes, theories REFER to physical entitires, but they are NOT the entities > themselves. > > This is kindergarten stuff, Richard, give me a break. > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 8/22/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> > *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > *Time:* 2012-08-22, 09:21:12 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection > > Theories always refer to physical entities. Otherwise they are unless. > In string theory the monads supernatural entities > but still part of nature. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> In my opinion, the CYM is only extended geometrically on paper. >> In a theory, not physically. >> >> Although they describe what actually happens physically, they themselves, >> being theory, are unextended. >> >> It's just like the Pythagorean Theory. It doesn't exist physically as >> triangles ihn space, it only exists on paper. >> >> >> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >> 8/22/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >> everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> *Time:* 2012-08-22, 06:56:13 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection >> >> Agreed Roger, except that the CYM monads have extension. >> The physical laws you speak of are in human imagination >> and seemingly not extended, >> but there is necessarily a substantial manifestation of them... >> The supernatural of course extends across the entire universe. >> Richard >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> Physical law is unextended, while physical objects are extended. >>> >>> As I understand it, Nature is extended while Supernature is not. >>> >>> So I could call physical law supernatural. >>> >>> >>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>> 8/22/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>> everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> >>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>> *Time:* 2012-08-21, 08:12:42 >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection >>> >>> Roger, >>> You are mistaken. The universe is based on physical laws despite the >>> existence of a supernatural, which I take to be based in the collective set >>> of monads. >>> >>> The way in which the monads manifest the physical laws and constants of >>> nature is a bonified subject of science, just are the study of COMP is. >>> They may even be related except for the multiverse aspect of COMP. >>> Richard >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>>> I also believe in science. But if you're trying to trash religion >>>> with science, science hasn't a clue nor a tool nor the proper >>>> concepts to even begin with the task. Science does not know >>>> what the meaning of anything is. Period. >>>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net >>>> 8/21/2012 >>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>>> everything could function." >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> *From:* Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> >>>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Time:* 2012-08-20, 11:18:57 >>>> *Subject:* Re: divine selection versus natural selection >>>> >>>> Roger, >>>> >>>> Divine selection and natural selection are sourced, >>>> however at differing levels of information integration, >>>> in the "universal�CYM monad�subspace". >>>> >>>> Belief can also be a product of science. >>>> I believe science. >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Bruno Marchal >>>>> According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and >>>>> that trust >>>>> does not come from you, it is a gift from God.�We have nothing to do >>>>> with it, >>>>> at least that isa what we Lutherns believe. >>>>> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net >>>>> 8/20/2012 >>>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>>>> everything could function." >>>>> >>>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>> *From:* Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> >>>>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>>>> *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10 >>>>> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked >>>>> semanticfield(mind). >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that >>>>> > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If >>>>> > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not >>>>> > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is >>>>> > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone. >>>>> >>>>> I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The >>>>> reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by >>>>> self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the >>>>> > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics >>>>> > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope >>>>> > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists >>>>> > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between >>>>> > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division. >>>>> >>>>> But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from >>>>> their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different. >>>>> And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already >>>>> reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between >>>>> woman and man, east and west, yin and yang. >>>>> >>>>> Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny >>>>> appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other >>>>> pole. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian >>>>> > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the >>>>> > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics. >>>>> > >>>>> > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. >>>>> >>>>> I concur. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and >>>>> > within new organization. >>>>> >>>>> Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the >>>>> level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative >>>>> arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by >>>>> > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic >>>>> > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over >>>>> > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the >>>>> > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But >>>>> > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries >>>>> > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a >>>>> > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever. >>>>> >>>>> OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and >>>>> religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs >>>>> leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense >>>>> for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the >>>>> military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run. >>>>> >>>>> And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the >>>>> long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection >>>>> can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later. >>>>> What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and >>>>> spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of >>>>> private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best >>>>> tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think. >>>>> >>>>> To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the >>>>> academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all >>>>> others!). >>>>> >>>>> Bruno >>>>> >>>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> everything-list@googlegroups.com.<+everything-list@googlegroups.com.> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ >>>>> unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. <+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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