Roger,

Divine selection and natural selection are sourced,
however at differing levels of information integration,
in the "universal CYM monad subspace".

Belief can also be a product of science.
I believe science.
Richard

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hi Bruno Marchal
>
> According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and that
> trust
> does not come from you, it is a gift from God. We have nothing to do with
> it,
> at least that isa what we Lutherns believe.
>
>
> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
> 8/20/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
> everything could function."
>
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> *From:* Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
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> *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10
> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked
> semanticfield(mind).
>
>   On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
>
> > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that
> > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If
> > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not
> > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is
> > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone.
>
> I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The
> reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by
> self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them.
>
>
>
> >
> > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the
> > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics
> > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope
> > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists
> > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between
> > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division.
>
> But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from
> their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different.
> And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already
> reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between
> woman and man, east and west, yin and yang.
>
> Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny
> appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other
> pole.
>
>
>
> > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian
> > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the
> > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics.
> >
> > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever.
>
> I concur.
>
>
>
> > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and
> > within new organization.
>
> Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the
> level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative
> arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all).
>
>
>
> > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by
> > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic
> > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over
> > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the
> > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But
> > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries
> > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a
> > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever.
>
> OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and
> religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs
> leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense
> for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the
> military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run.
>
> And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the
> long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection
> can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later.
> What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and
> spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of
> private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best
> tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think.
>
> To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the
> academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all
> others!).
>
> Bruno
>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>
>
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