Roger, Divine selection and natural selection are sourced, however at differing levels of information integration, in the "universal CYM monad subspace".
Belief can also be a product of science. I believe science. Richard On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and that > trust > does not come from you, it is a gift from God. We have nothing to do with > it, > at least that isa what we Lutherns believe. > > > Roger , [email protected] > 8/20/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> > *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10 > *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked > semanticfield(mind). > > On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that > > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If > > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not > > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is > > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone. > > I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The > reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by > self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them. > > > > > > > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the > > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics > > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope > > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists > > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between > > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division. > > But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from > their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different. > And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already > reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between > woman and man, east and west, yin and yang. > > Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny > appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other > pole. > > > > > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian > > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the > > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics. > > > > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. > > I concur. > > > > > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and > > within new organization. > > Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the > level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative > arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all). > > > > > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by > > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic > > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over > > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the > > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But > > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries > > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a > > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever. > > OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and > religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs > leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense > for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the > military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run. > > And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the > long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection > can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later. > What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and > spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of > private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best > tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think. > > To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the > academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all > others!). > > Bruno > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected].<[email protected].> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ > [email protected]. <[email protected].> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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