Agreed Roger, except that the CYM monads have extension.
The physical laws you speak of are in human imagination
and seemingly not extended,
but there is necessarily a substantial manifestation of them...
The supernatural of course extends across the entire universe.
Richard

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> Physical law is unextended, while physical objects are extended.
>
> As I understand it, Nature is extended while Supernature is not.
>
> So I could call physical law supernatural.
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 8/22/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
> everything could function."
>
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> *Time:* 2012-08-21, 08:12:42
> *Subject:* Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection
>
>  Roger,
> You are mistaken. The universe is based on physical laws despite the
> existence of a supernatural, which I take to be based in the collective set
> of monads.
>
> The way in which the monads manifest the physical laws and constants of
> nature is a bonified subject of science, just are the study of COMP is.
> They may even be related except for the multiverse aspect of COMP.
> Richard
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Richard Ruquist
>>  I also believe in science. But if you're trying to trash religion
>> with science, science hasn't a clue nor a tool nor the proper
>> concepts to even begin with the task. Science does not know
>> what the meaning of anything is. Period.
>>   Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>> 8/21/2012
>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
>> everything could function."
>>
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>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
>> *Time:* 2012-08-20, 11:18:57
>> *Subject:* Re: divine selection versus natural selection
>>
>>  Roger,
>>
>> Divine selection and natural selection are sourced,
>> however at differing levels of information integration,
>> in the "universal�CYM monad�subspace".
>>
>> Belief can also be a product of science.
>> I believe science.
>> Richard
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Bruno Marchal
>>>  According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and
>>> that trust
>>> does not come from you, it is a gift from God.�We have nothing to do with
>>> it,
>>> at least that isa what we Lutherns believe.
>>>  Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
>>> 8/20/2012
>>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
>>> everything could function."
>>>
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>>> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10
>>> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked
>>> semanticfield(mind).
>>>
>>>   On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
>>>
>>> > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that
>>> > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If
>>> > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not
>>> > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is
>>> > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone.
>>>
>>> I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The
>>> reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by
>>> self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the
>>> > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics
>>> > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope
>>> > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists
>>> > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between
>>> > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division.
>>>
>>> But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from
>>> their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different.
>>> And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already
>>> reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between
>>> woman and man, east and west, yin and yang.
>>>
>>> Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny
>>> appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other
>>> pole.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian
>>> > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the
>>> > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics.
>>> >
>>> > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever.
>>>
>>> I concur.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and
>>> > within new organization.
>>>
>>> Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the
>>> level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative
>>> arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by
>>> > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic
>>> > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over
>>> > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the
>>> > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But
>>> > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries
>>> > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a
>>> > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever.
>>>
>>> OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and
>>> religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs
>>> leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense
>>> for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the
>>> military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run.
>>>
>>> And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the
>>> long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection
>>> can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later.
>>> What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and
>>> spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of
>>> private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best
>>> tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think.
>>>
>>> To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the
>>> academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all
>>> others!).
>>>
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>>>
>>>
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