Agreed Roger, except that the CYM monads have extension. The physical laws you speak of are in human imagination and seemingly not extended, but there is necessarily a substantial manifestation of them... The supernatural of course extends across the entire universe. Richard
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Physical law is unextended, while physical objects are extended. > > As I understand it, Nature is extended while Supernature is not. > > So I could call physical law supernatural. > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 8/22/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> > *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> > *Time:* 2012-08-21, 08:12:42 > *Subject:* Re: Re: divine selection versus natural selection > > Roger, > You are mistaken. The universe is based on physical laws despite the > existence of a supernatural, which I take to be based in the collective set > of monads. > > The way in which the monads manifest the physical laws and constants of > nature is a bonified subject of science, just are the study of COMP is. > They may even be related except for the multiverse aspect of COMP. > Richard > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> I also believe in science. But if you're trying to trash religion >> with science, science hasn't a clue nor a tool nor the proper >> concepts to even begin with the task. Science does not know >> what the meaning of anything is. Period. >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 8/21/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >> everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> >> *Time:* 2012-08-20, 11:18:57 >> *Subject:* Re: divine selection versus natural selection >> >> Roger, >> >> Divine selection and natural selection are sourced, >> however at differing levels of information integration, >> in the "universal�CYM monad�subspace". >> >> Belief can also be a product of science. >> I believe science. >> Richard >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Bruno Marchal >>> According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and >>> that trust >>> does not come from you, it is a gift from God.�We have nothing to do with >>> it, >>> at least that isa what we Lutherns believe. >>> Roger , [email protected] >>> 8/20/2012 >>> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >>> everything could function." >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> *From:* Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> >>> *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> >>> *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10 >>> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked >>> semanticfield(mind). >>> >>> On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >>> >>> > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that >>> > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If >>> > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not >>> > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is >>> > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone. >>> >>> I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The >>> reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by >>> self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them. >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the >>> > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics >>> > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope >>> > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists >>> > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between >>> > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division. >>> >>> But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from >>> their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different. >>> And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already >>> reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between >>> woman and man, east and west, yin and yang. >>> >>> Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny >>> appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other >>> pole. >>> >>> >>> >>> > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian >>> > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the >>> > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics. >>> > >>> > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. >>> >>> I concur. >>> >>> >>> >>> > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and >>> > within new organization. >>> >>> Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the >>> level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative >>> arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all). >>> >>> >>> >>> > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by >>> > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic >>> > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over >>> > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the >>> > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But >>> > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries >>> > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a >>> > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever. >>> >>> OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and >>> religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs >>> leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense >>> for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the >>> military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run. >>> >>> And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the >>> long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection >>> can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later. >>> What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and >>> spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of >>> private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best >>> tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think. >>> >>> To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the >>> academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all >>> others!). >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected].<[email protected].> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ >>> [email protected]. <[email protected].> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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