Roger, You are mistaken. The universe is based on physical laws despite the existence of a supernatural, which I take to be based in the collective set of monads.
The way in which the monads manifest the physical laws and constants of nature is a bonified subject of science, just are the study of COMP is. They may even be related except for the multiverse aspect of COMP. Richard On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > I also believe in science. But if you're trying to trash religion > with science, science hasn't a clue nor a tool nor the proper > concepts to even begin with the task. Science does not know > what the meaning of anything is. Period. > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 8/21/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so > everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> > *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> > *Time:* 2012-08-20, 11:18:57 > *Subject:* Re: divine selection versus natural selection > > Roger, > > Divine selection and natural selection are sourced,� > however at differing levels of information integration, > in the "universal燙YM monad爏ubspace". > > Belief can also be a product of science. > I believe science. > Richard > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Roger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Bruno Marchal >> � >> According to the Bible, belief is a product of faith or trust, and that >> trust >> does not come from you, it is a gift from God.燱e have nothing to do with >> it, >> at least that isa what we Lutherns believe.� >> � >> � >> Roger , [email protected] >> 8/20/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so >> everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> >> *Time:* 2012-08-19, 08:26:10 >> *Subject:* Re: The I Ching, a cominatorically complete hyperlinked >> semanticfield(mind). >> >> On 19 Aug 2012, at 11:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote: >> >> > The barrier between religion and ordinary life, like the one that >> > suppossedly exist between gods and ordinary life is conventiona. If >> > it is true that men have an instinct for religion, this is not >> > governed by a switch that is put on when in a temple or when it is >> > reading esoteric teachings. It is on all the time and in everyone. >> >> I agree. I make a case that all correct machine are theological. The >> reason is that such machine, when looking inward (as they can do by >> self-reference) can guess that there is something transcending them. >> >> >> >> > >> > What produces this need of the soul or this innate instinct of the >> > human nature?. It may produce organized relgion, but also politics >> > and ideology. The brain areas excited by the appearance of the Pope >> > in a group of believers are the same that are excited in ecologists >> > when Al Gore appears. In the past there were no separation between >> > both phenomena. This is an mostly Occidental division. >> >> But it is also a natural division. When machine get theological, from >> their perspective it looks like those kind of things are different. >> And at some level they are. I think that the conflict is already >> reflected in the left brain / right brain difference. Perhaps between >> woman and man, east and west, yin and yang. >> >> Take any machine, she will develop those two poles. the "schizophreny >> appears only when one pole believes to be more right than the other >> pole. >> >> >> >> > The cult of personality in socialist countries and the sectarian >> > movements (either political or religious) are new editions of the >> > fundamentally Unitarian nature of religion and politics. >> > >> > So, then, gods and adivines have been and will be here forever. >> >> I concur. >> >> >> >> > When a name for them is discredited, they appear with new names and >> > within new organization. >> >> Absolutely. Some atheists sects can copy some clergy ritual at the >> level of the microcospic details, and also the authoritative >> arguments. I am thinking to some atheist masonic lodges (not all). >> >> >> >> > The modern Global warming alarmism is an episode of adivination by >> > makin illegitimate use of science. the Marxism was a scholastic >> > school of Masters of Reality that claimed predicitive powers over >> > the story of Humanity. The gigantic photographs of Marx Lenin in the >> > URSS parliament is an example of religious temple of Atheism. But >> > also the small photograph or a loving one in the dormitory carries >> > out a religious sense, Specially if it passed away and it was a >> > greath influence in our lives. Religion is everywhere and forever. >> >> OK. But it can progress. The authoritative argument in science and >> religion is a rest of our mammals reflex. Dogs and wolves needs >> leaders, for reason of a long biological past story. It makes sense >> for short term goal, like it makes sense to "obey" to orders in the >> military situation. But it is really an handicap for the long run. >> >> And that means that authoritative arguments will disappear, in the >> long run, or we will disappear, like the dinosaurs. Natural selection >> can select good things for the short terms, and throw them away later. >> What will not disappear is science and religion. Religion and >> spirituality will be more and more prevalent, and play a role of >> private goal, and science will be more and more understood as the best >> tool to approximate that spiritual goal. I think. >> >> To fight fundamentalism in religion, theology should go back to the >> academy (which like democracy is the worst institution except for all >> others!). >> >> Bruno >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected].<[email protected].> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+ >> [email protected]. <[email protected].> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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