On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote:

Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally important to define time.

In the computationlist theory, the digital discrete sequence 0, s(0), s(s(0)) ... is enough, notably to named the steps of execution of the UD (UD*), or of the programs execution we can see in UD*, or equivalently in a tiny subset of arithmetical truth.

Bruno




On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi John Clark

Please define the term thinking.
What is thinking ?


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/30/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function."
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's worth mentioning that Turing did not intend his test to imply that machines could think, only that the closest we could come would be to construct machines that would be good at playing The Imitation Game.

No you are entirely incorrect, that is not worth mentioning. There is no difference between arithmetic and simulated arithmetic and no difference between thinking and imitation thinking. �

> I have used the example of a trashcan lid in a fast food place that says THANK YOU.

And when a employee of a fast food restaurant says "THANK YOU" to the 47'th customer for the 47'th time in the last hour he puts about as much thought into the message as the trash can did.

� John K Clark



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