Hi Stephen P. King 

Robots would respond to an image as they are programmed to respond.
Like mindless puppets.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-09, 13:45:50
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On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: 

On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: 

On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: 


Hi Evgenii, 

I will try to explain. An idea is an "abstract image", IMHO. For 
example, consider all possible objects that have some thing that 
could be recognized as "being red". We form an equivalence class 
from this with the equivalence relation "red". Thus Red is the 
equivalence relation on the equivalence class of all possible 
objects that have some thing that could be recognized as "being 
red". This should hold for *any* abstract and shows a fundamental 
relationship between the concrete and the abstract. Category 
theory offers a wonderful set of tools to analyze these kind of 

Sorry, I do not understand how the 3D visual world that I observe 
is formed based on this theory. 


Dear Evgenii, 

You are asking me to explain to you in English the way the relevant 
part of your brain generates the particular subjective experience 
associated with the image one has of oneself in a mirror. I cannot do 
?his right now and maybe never, it may be impossible to explain in 
English. We might have to use other language that does not have the 
inherent logical ambiguities and rules built into it. 

Do you mean that although you cannot express it in English, you could implement 
it in some hardware+software? 

By the way, a quote from You are not a Gadget: 

"The point of the project is to find a way of making software that rejects the 
idea of the protocol. Instead, each software module must use emergent generic 
pattern-recognition techniques?imilar to the ones I described earlier, which 
can recognize faces ? to connect with other modules. Phenotropic computing 
could potentially result in a kind of software that is less tangled and 
unpredictable, since there wouldn't be protocol errors if there weren't any 

Could you use your technology to develop such a thing? 


Hi Evgenii,

?? How would a robot that has visual sensors respond to a mirror in its path? 




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