Hi Stephen P. King Robots would respond to an image as they are programmed to respond. Like mindless puppets.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 13:45:50 Subject: Re: The All On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: .. Hi Evgenii, I will try to explain. An idea is an "abstract image", IMHO. For example, consider all possible objects that have some thing that could be recognized as "being red". We form an equivalence class from this with the equivalence relation "red". Thus Red is the equivalence relation on the equivalence class of all possible objects that have some thing that could be recognized as "being red". This should hold for *any* abstract and shows a fundamental relationship between the concrete and the abstract. Category theory offers a wonderful set of tools to analyze these kind of concepts. Sorry, I do not understand how the 3D visual world that I observe is formed based on this theory. Evgenii Dear Evgenii, You are asking me to explain to you in English the way the relevant part of your brain generates the particular subjective experience associated with the image one has of oneself in a mirror. I cannot do ?his right now and maybe never, it may be impossible to explain in English. We might have to use other language that does not have the inherent logical ambiguities and rules built into it. Do you mean that although you cannot express it in English, you could implement it in some hardware+software? By the way, a quote from You are not a Gadget: "The point of the project is to find a way of making software that rejects the idea of the protocol. Instead, each software module must use emergent generic pattern-recognition techniques?imilar to the ones I described earlier, which can recognize faces ? to connect with other modules. Phenotropic computing could potentially result in a kind of software that is less tangled and unpredictable, since there wouldn't be protocol errors if there weren't any protocols." Could you use your technology to develop such a thing? Evgenii Hi Evgenii, ?? How would a robot that has visual sensors respond to a mirror in its path? -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.