On 11.09.2012 22:09 Stephen P. King said the following:
On 9/11/2012 2:40 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 09.09.2012 19:45 Stephen P. King said the following:
On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following:
Dear Evgenii,

You are asking me to explain to you in English the way the relevant
part of your brain generates the particular subjective experience
associated with the image one has of oneself in a mirror. I cannot do
this right now and maybe never, it may be impossible to explain in
English. We might have to use other language that does not have the
inherent logical ambiguities and rules built into it.

Do you mean that although you cannot express it in English, you could
implement it in some hardware+software?

By the way, a quote from You are not a Gadget:

"The point of the project is to find a way of making software that
rejects the idea of the protocol. Instead, each software module must
use emergent generic pattern-recognition techniques—similar to the
ones I described earlier, which can recognize faces — to connect with
other modules. Phenotropic computing could potentially result in a
kind of software that is less tangled and unpredictable, since there
wouldn't be protocol errors if there weren't any protocols."

Could you use your technology to develop such a thing?


Hi Evgenii,

How would a robot that has visual sensors respond to a mirror in its

Hi Stephen,

It is not a bad idea to start with a robot as we know everything what
is going on in it. To this end, a question. What would it mean that a
robot sees his image in (behind) the mirror?


Hi Evgenii,

I am not sure we could know unless the robot could describe the content
of its vision with us with analogies to other things. Would it see a
mirage or other optical effects? We have to be careful that we do not
confuse the inability to make reports with the ability to be aware.

This however implies that we do not know something what is going on within the robot.


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