Hi Craig Weinberg Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed.
But God does have to follow laws he already created. If you jump off of a building you will fall to your death. I'm missing a possible problem there. Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 08:01:52 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:29:00 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So there must be some intelligence interweaved in Nature. I call that God. That nature has structure and laws, to me indicates that there must be some superintelligence at work. Wouldn't the superintelligence also have to be highly structured ans lawful? Wouldn't those laws also suggest a meta-superintelligence, and so on? Why not just let the fact that we can make sense of a universe of sensible sensations be exactly that. Roger Clough, [email protected] 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 13:17:52 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers Roger, I agree with John here. Except that his point is more agnostic than atheist. A better question to John would be: explain where consciousness and universes come from, or what is your big picture. John is mute on this, but his stucking on step 3 illustrates that he might be a religious believer in a material universe, or in physicalism. Perhaps. To be clear on atheism, I use modal logic (informally). if Bx means "I believe in x", and if g means (god exists) A believer is characterized by Bg An atheist by B ~g An agnostic by ~Bg & ~B~g But you can replace g by m (primitive matter), and be atheist with respect of matter, etc. Someone who say that he does not believe in God, usually take for granted other sort of God, that is they make a science, like physics, which is irreproachable by itself, into an explanation of everything, which is just another religion or pseudo religion, if not assumed clearly. I advocate that we can do theology as seriously as physics by making clear the assumptions. Like with comp which appears to be closer to Bg than to Bm. But g might be itself no more than arithmetical truth, or even a tiny part of it. Bruno On 10 Sep 2012, at 18:27, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > If you are an atheist, prove that God does not exist. If you can't, you are > a hypocrite in attacking those that do believe that God exists. You haven't > a leg to stand on. A fool disbelieves only in the things he can prove not to exist, the wise man also disbelieves in things that are silly. A china teapot orbiting the planet Uranus is silly, and so is God. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/GJV6yFjTMoAJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
