Hi Bruno, Maybe it's time to update your fractal zoom links :-)
http://vimeo.com/12185093 Here's a couple 3d "mandelbulb" worlds which no doubt require significantly more than 1K to implement, but purely mathematical nonetheless: https://vimeo.com/18308069 https://vimeo.com/36857924 In general vimeo is superior to youtube because most video producers create HD-quality video. All of these will benefit from watching in full-screen. These videos are a better answer to the question "what is god?" than anything that could be expressed in words, imho. Best, Terren On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Bruno Marchal > > If I ever doubt that there is a God, > the regularity of Newton's physics or > the microscopic structure of a snowflake > dispels such doubt. > > These show design. > Design cannot be made randomly. > So there must be some intelligence interweaved in Nature. > I call that God. > > That nature has structure and laws, to me indicates > that there must be some superintelligence at work. > > > OK. And with comp a case can be made that it is the intelligence innate to > arithmetic. > > Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can define: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTuP02b_a7Y > > It is a succession of different zoom on the Mandelbrot set, which is > basically defined by the set of complex number c such that the iteration, > starting from z = 0, of z_n = (z_n-1)^2 + c don't diverge. > > If you can see intelligent design in a snowflake, I can see intelligent > design in the Mandelbrot set, and in the circle too. It abounds in math and > in arithmetic. > > Bruno > > > > > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] > 9/11/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-10, 13:17:52 > Subject: Re: The poverty of computers > > Roger, > > I agree with John here. Except that his point is more agnostic than atheist. > > A better question to John would be: explain where consciousness and > universes come from, or what is your big picture. John is mute on this, but > his stucking on step 3 illustrates that he might be a religious believer in > a material universe, or in physicalism. Perhaps. > > To be clear on atheism, I use modal logic (informally). if Bx means "I > believe in x", and if g means (god exists) > > A believer is characterized by Bg > An atheist by B ~g > An agnostic by ~Bg & ~B~g > > But you can replace g by m (primitive matter), and be atheist with respect > of matter, etc. > > Someone who say that he does not believe in God, usually take for granted > other sort of God, that is they make a science, like physics, which is > irreproachable by itself, into an explanation of everything, which is just > another religion or pseudo religion, if not assumed clearly. > > I advocate that we can do theology as seriously as physics by making clear > the assumptions. Like with comp which appears to be closer to Bg than to Bm. > But g might be itself no more than arithmetical truth, or even a tiny part > of it. > > Bruno > > > > On 10 Sep 2012, at 18:27, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > If you are an atheist, prove that God does not exist. If you can't, you >> are a hypocrite in attacking those that do believe that God exists. You >> haven't a leg to stand on. > > > A fool disbelieves only in the things he can prove not to exist, the wise > man also disbelieves in things that are silly. A china teapot orbiting the > planet Uranus is silly, and so is God. > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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