Hi Terren,

On 11 Sep 2012, at 19:45, Terren Suydam wrote:

Hi Bruno,

Maybe it's time to update your fractal zoom links :-)

http://vimeo.com/12185093

Here's a couple 3d "mandelbulb" worlds which no doubt require
significantly more than 1K to implement, but purely mathematical
nonetheless:

https://vimeo.com/18308069
https://vimeo.com/36857924


In 3D, without real stereo 3D, you can't distinguish zooming and travelling. So despite its beautiful magnificence, the Mandelbulb hides the growing complexity inherent in the M set.




In general vimeo is superior to youtube because most video producers
create HD-quality video. All of these will benefit from watching in
full-screen.

You ask a lot to my poor machine, but yes it is beautiful.




These videos are a better answer to the question "what is god?" than
anything that could be expressed in words, imho.

And the answer is ?

Don't mind to much :)

Bruno




Best,
Terren

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Bruno Marchal

If I ever doubt that there is a God,
the regularity of Newton's physics or
the microscopic structure of a snowflake
dispels such doubt.

These show design.
Design cannot be made randomly.
So there must be some intelligence interweaved in Nature.
I call that God.

That nature has structure and laws, to me indicates
that there must be some superintelligence at work.


OK. And with comp a case can be made that it is the intelligence innate to
arithmetic.

Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can define:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTuP02b_a7Y

It is a succession of different zoom on the Mandelbrot set, which is
basically defined by the set of complex number c such that the iteration,
starting from z = 0, of z_n = (z_n-1)^2 + c don't diverge.

If you can see intelligent design in a snowflake, I can see intelligent design in the Mandelbrot set, and in the circle too. It abounds in math and
in arithmetic.

Bruno






Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/11/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."

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Roger,

I agree with John here. Except that his point is more agnostic than atheist.

A better question to John would be: explain where consciousness and
universes come from, or what is your big picture. John is mute on this, but his stucking on step 3 illustrates that he might be a religious believer in
a material universe, or in physicalism. Perhaps.

To be clear on atheism, I use modal logic (informally). if Bx means "I
believe in x", and if g means (god exists)

A believer is characterized by Bg
An atheist by B ~g
An agnostic by ~Bg & ~B~g

But you can replace g by m (primitive matter), and be atheist with respect
of matter, etc.

Someone who say that he does not believe in God, usually take for granted other sort of God, that is they make a science, like physics, which is irreproachable by itself, into an explanation of everything, which is just
another religion or pseudo religion, if not assumed clearly.

I advocate that we can do theology as seriously as physics by making clear the assumptions. Like with comp which appears to be closer to Bg than to Bm. But g might be itself no more than arithmetical truth, or even a tiny part
of it.

Bruno



On 10 Sep 2012, at 18:27, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012  Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

If you are an atheist, prove that God does not exist. If you can't, you
are a hypocrite in attacking those that do believe that God exists. You
haven't a leg to stand on.


A fool disbelieves only in the things he can prove not to exist, the wise man also disbelieves in things that are silly. A china teapot orbiting the
planet Uranus is silly, and so is God.

John K Clark



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