On 12 Sep 2012, at 18:47, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>> makes a bridge between two fields,
>> What two fields?
> The study of the notion of truth, (epistemology, philosophy,
metaphysics, it is interdisciplinary) and theology.
Translation from the original bafflegab: The truth is important.
And already behave like the notion of God, or what is the more common
about it in many traditions.
And by the way, there is no field of theology, it has nothing
intelligent to say because it has not discovered any facts.
Theology is a science. Aristotle hypothesis of the existence of a
primary universe has been refuted, so we can progress in it. The
physical science is a product of a theology.
> Plato's questions are at the origin of science.
But Plato lived 2500 years ago and we are no longer at the origin of
science, it's time to move on.
Not at all. Theology has been stolen by politics, 1500 years ago, we
have to backtrack if we want to be rational on that issue.
> It is no use to say more if you don't have read it, and don't want
to get informed.
I didn't say I haven't read Plato, I said I knew more philosophy
than he did, a lot more.
You know a lot of things, but "knowing" is not a valid argument in
> Making you defending Aristotle theology, confusing it with the
There is no doubt that somebody around here is confused because I
have said more than once that Aristotle was the worst physicist who
ever lived. Even his reputation as a great logician is overstated,
he used some very intricate pure logic and concluded with certainty
that women MUST have fewer teeth than men. They don't. Aristotle had
a wife, he could have counted her teeth at any time but never
bothered to because like most philosophers he already knew the
truth, or thought he did.
Aristotle is one of the first very big scientists. To be wrong is the
natural fate of all serious scientists.
He was wrong not just on physics, he was wrong on theology (at least
with respect to comp)..
But physics is allowed in academy, so we can correct his physics.
Unfortunately his theology is not allowed in academy, so if you say
that it is incorrect you are mocked in the academy, and ignored, of
course, from the churches. Result: we can't progress.
Again atheism goes hand in hand with the fundamentalist christians and
muslims. They both defend, in their own ways, the idea that Aristotle
theology has to remain unchanged.
I don't buy your religion, John.
> I have never seen a paper in physics assuming a primitive physical
reality, still less a paper showing how to test such idea.
I have no idea what you mean
We understand that because you have stopped the thinking at step 3.
but I will say this, if you have never seen a physics paper even
attempt to do something then its probably not very important because
they've attempted some pretty wacky things.
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