On 9/14/2012 6:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Sep 2012, at 22:08, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:58:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg
> This is the symbol grounding problem pointed out by
Searle's Chinese Room
I've said it before I'll say it again, Searle's Chinese Room is
the single stupidest thought experiment ever devised by the mind
of man. Of course even the best of us can have a brain fart from
time to time, but Searle baked this turd pie decades ago and
apparently he still thinks its quite clever, and thus I can only
conclude that John Searle is as dumb as his room.
The only way that you can think that it's stupid is if you don't
understand it. It's the same thing as Leibniz Mill. His particulars
may be a bit more elaborate than they need to be, but the point he
makes is the same that has been made before by many others: The map
is not the territory. The menu is not the meal.
To my mind, the fact that you have particular animus toward the
Chinese Room can only be because on some level you know that it is a
relatively simple way of proving something that you are in deep
denial about. Why else would it bother you in particular? Are there
other philosophical arguments that bother you like this?
I am with Clark on this, Craig. Searle either begs the question or
confuses a program with the machine running the program. Dennett and
Hofstadter explains this already very well in "Mind's I".
It is the same error as believing that RA can think like PA when
emulating PA. But when RA emulates PA, it is like when I emulate
another program, or Einstein's brain, I don't become that other
program, nor do I become Einstein, in such case. It is again a
confusion of level.
I agree with you. What you are pointing out is that one needs a
"discordant system" to distinguish the levels that are involved. More
often than not we run into problems because a pair of different levels
are considered to be the same level by the person that does not
understand the difference. This is called "flattening".
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