On 9/23/2012 6:18 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This is my schema.

Can you complete/ammend it?

Things in themselves (noumena) -> - Have a computational nature (Bruno) : few components: numbers, + * - Is just a mathematical manyfold(Me), few components: equations - Are Monadic (Roger). many components - Are phisical: includes the "phisical world" with: space, time persons, cars. (physicalists)

Things perceived (phenomena) -> - Relies on the architecture of the mind, the activity of the brain (a local arangement that keep entropy constant along a direction in space-time, the product of natural selection
Therefore, existence is selected (Me)
- The mind is a robust computation -and therefore implies a certain selection- (Bruno) - Are created by the activity of the supreme monad (Roger) - Does not matter (physicalists)

Hi Alberto,

As I see it, the idea that the noumena are specific and definite without being given in association with phenomena is false as it implies that the "things in themselves"" have innate properties for no reason whatsoever...

2012/9/23 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>

    On 22 Sep 2012, at 20:05, Stephen P. King wrote:

    With comp, all the exists comes from the "ExP(x)" use in
    arithmetic, and their arithmetical epistemological version, like
    []Ex[]P(x), or []<>Ex[]<>P(x), etc.

        Can not you see, Bruno, that this stipulation makes existence
    contingent upon the ability to be defined by a symbol and thus on
    human whim? It is the tool-maker and user that is talking through
    you here.

    Confusion of level. The stipulation used to described such
    existence does not makes such existence contingent at all. Only
    the stipulation is contingent, not its content, which can be
    considered as absolute, as we work in the standard model (by the
    very definition of comp: we work with standard comp (we would not
    say "yes" to a doctor if he propose a non standard cording of our

    That gives a testable toy theology (testable as such a theology
    contains the physics as a subpart).

        Testable, sure, but theology should never be contingent. It
    must flow from pure necessity and our finite models are simply
    insufficient for this task.

    First our model is not finite, only our theories and machines are.
    And the AUDA illustrates clearly that theology's shape (the
    hypostases) follows pure necessity, even if all machine will
    define a particular arithmetical content for each theology, but
    this is natural, as it concerns the private life of individual
    machine (it is the same for us by default in all religion).





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