On 24 Sep 2012, at 12:26, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Potential definitions :
To Exist = to have objective being, to physically be, to be within
spacetime, having spacial location and extension at time t - a thing
such as a brain or object
But "exists" has simple meaning, when applied on what you assume to
exist primitively. The words "objective", "physically", "being",
"spacetime" "spatial", "location", "time", "brain", "object" have no
simple meaning that everyone can take for granted, when working on th
TOE search, or when trying to get some light on the mind body problem.
I thought you were a Platonist, even if a Leibnizian one, but now it
seems you believe in primitive physical notion, like spacetime, so it
becomes hard to figure out what are your sharable assumptions.
To Inhere = to have subjective being, to mentally or nonphysically
be, that is, to be outside of spacetime, inextended (without spacial
location at time t), such as thoughts, numbers, quanta, qualia, etc.
Thus brain exists, mind inheres.
I don't see the logic leading to brain exist, from mind inhere.
Brain exists, but with comp it can't be a primitive existence, and so
"brain exists" is a pattern that we have to explain from an ontology
with not assumed brain.
An agent = An inherent control and observation center.
A self = an agent
Actual = to exist
Real = either to exist or to inhere even without a self or agent to
observe or control it.
That can make sense in some context, but not when you search a theory
*explaining* or enlightening the big picture. You need a criterion of
existence for what you take as primitive, and then you can defined the
many different sorts of existence which can be reduced to the
But you betrayed yourself by insisting that we don't mix theology and
science, where I think that the separation of theology and science is
very big mistake, even if easily explainable by Darwin and human short
I cannot convince you by reason, on something about which you decided
to abandon reason.
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