Hi Bruno Marchal  

I think that consciousness, intelligence and some measure of free will are
necessary and inseparable parts of life itself.
                                    /         \
                                   /           \
                                 /              \   
                               /      life       \
                              /                    \
                             /                      \
                    free will------------------intelligence

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 

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From: Bruno Marchal  
Receiver: everything-list  
Time: 2012-10-09, 10:17:35 
Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment 

On 08 Oct 2012, at 19:35, meekerdb wrote: 

On 10/8/2012 8:42 AM, John Clark wrote:  
2) Intelligent behavior is NOT associated with subjective experience, in which 
case there is no reason for Evolution to produce consciousness and I have no 
explanation for why I am here, and I have reason to believe that I am the only 
conscious being in the universe. 

There's a third possibility: Intelligent behavior is sometimes associated with 
subjective experience and sometimes not.  Evolution may have produced 
consciousness as a spandrel, an accident of the particular developmental path 
that evolution happened upon.  Or it may be that consciousness is necessarily 
associated with only certain kinds of intelligent behavior, e.g. those related 
to language. 

Consciousness is when you bet in your consistency, or in a reality, to help 

Consciousness precedes language, but follows perception and sensation. It 
unifies the interpretation of the senses, making the illusion possible. 



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