Hi Craig, and other
As I am in very buzy period, which can last some time, I will be short
and focus on the main "disagreements". Or I will take more time for
some posts, or I will break my spelling mistakes' number record.
On 09 Oct 2012, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:17:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Consciousness is when you bet in your consistency, or in a reality,
to help yourself.
Consciousness precedes language, but follows perception and sensation.
Nice. It can be tricky because perception and sensation can both be
seen as kinds of awareness and some people use the term
consciousness as a synonym for awareness. This is not entirely
incorrect. It's like saying that cash and credit cards are both kind
of money and that economics is a synonym for money. It can be if you
want it to be, it's just a word that we define by consensus usage,
but if we want to get precise, then I try to have a vague taxonomy
of sensation > perception > feeling > awareness > consciousness so
that consciousness is an awareness of awareness. The continuum is
logarithmic, but not discretely so because of the nature of
subjectivity ins not discrete but runs the full spectrum from
discrete to nebulous.
It unifies the interpretation of the senses, making the illusion
possible.
Here it is, Bruno. This is where I can see you saying exactly what I
used to believe was true, but now I understand it 180 degrees away
from the *whole* truth.
All that you have to do is drop the assumption that each sense is a
separate discrete process built up from nothing and see it as a
sieve, filtering out or receiving particular ranges of non-illusory
experience.
I have never done that assumption. On the contrary I try to explain
that comp is incompatible with that assumption. The sense is in a
relation involving *all* computations, possible oracles, possible
larger part of arithmetical truth, a person, and a machine making it
possible for that person to manifest herself with respect to its more
probable computations, and possible persons doing the same, relatively.
I can interpret favorably what you say below in that context.
Bruno
The filtered sensation do not need to be conditioned mechanically or
mechanically, they aren't objects which need to be assembled. The
unification of the senses is like the nuclear force - unity is the a
priori default, it is only the processes of the brain which modulate
the obstruction of that unity. Sanity does not need to be propped up
and scripted like a program, it is a familiar attractor (as opposed
to strange attractor) of any given inertial frame.
The only illusion we have is when our non-illusory capacity to tell
the difference between conflicting inertial frames of perception,
cognition, sensation, etc recovers that difference and identifies
with one sense frame over another, because of a perception of
greater sense or significance. It's not subject to emulation. It
actually has to make more sense to the person. The content doesn't
matter. You can have a dream that makes no cognitive sense at all
but without your waking life to compare it to, you have no problem
accepting that there is a donkey driving you to work. Realism is not
emergent functionally or assembled digitally from the bottom up, it
is recovered apocatastatically from the top down.
Craig
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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