On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 10:17:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Consciousness is when you bet in your consistency, or in a reality, to > help yourself. > > Consciousness precedes language, but follows perception and sensation. >
Nice. It can be tricky because perception and sensation can both be seen as kinds of awareness and some people use the term consciousness as a synonym for awareness. This is not entirely incorrect. It's like saying that cash and credit cards are both kind of money and that economics is a synonym for money. It can be if you want it to be, it's just a word that we define by consensus usage, but if we want to get precise, then I try to have a vague taxonomy of sensation > perception > feeling > awareness > consciousness so that consciousness is an awareness of awareness. The continuum is logarithmic, but not discretely so because of the nature of subjectivity ins not discrete but runs the full spectrum from discrete to nebulous. > It unifies the interpretation of the senses, making the illusion possible. > Here it is, Bruno. This is where I can see you saying exactly what I used to believe was true, but now I understand it 180 degrees away from the *whole* truth. All that you have to do is drop the assumption that each sense is a separate discrete process built up from nothing and see it as a sieve, filtering out or receiving particular ranges of non-illusory experience. The filtered sensation do not need to be conditioned mechanically or mechanically, they aren't objects which need to be assembled. The unification of the senses is like the nuclear force - unity is the a priori default, it is only the processes of the brain which modulate the obstruction of that unity. Sanity does not need to be propped up and scripted like a program, it is a familiar attractor (as opposed to strange attractor) of any given inertial frame. The only illusion we have is when our non-illusory capacity to tell the difference between conflicting inertial frames of perception, cognition, sensation, etc recovers that difference and identifies with one sense frame over another, because of a perception of greater sense or significance. It's not subject to emulation. It actually has to make more sense to the person. The content doesn't matter. You can have a dream that makes no cognitive sense at all but without your waking life to compare it to, you have no problem accepting that there is a donkey driving you to work. Realism is not emergent functionally or assembled digitally from the bottom up, it is recovered apocatastatically from the top down. Craig > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/rQor-nft0osJ. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.