On Monday, October 15, 2012 12:38:30 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Craig Weinberg > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > > >> > I think he [Chambers] goes wrong by assuming a priori that >> consciousness is functional, >> > > I've asked you this question dozens of times but you have never coherently > answered it: If consciousness doesn't do anything then Evolution can't see > it, so how and why did Evolution produce it? >
Evolution did not produce consciousness. Consciousness produced evolution. Not human consciousness, but sense. I have said this repeatedly. > The fact that you have no answer to this means your ideas are fatally > flawed. > I keep answering it. You keep putting your fingers in your ears. > > > that personal consciousness is an assembly of sub-personal parts which >> can be isolated and reproduced based on exterior behavior. I don't assume >> that at all. >> > > And I've asked you another question that you also have no answer for: If > we can deduce nothing about consciousness from behavior then why do you > believe that your fellow human beings are conscious when they are behaving > as if they are awake, and why do you believe that they are not conscious > when they are sleeping or undergoing anesthesia or behaving as if they were > dead and rotting in the ground? > We can deduce a great deal about the consciousness of things which are similar to ourselves. The more distant and unrelated a phenomenon is to ourselves, the less certain we can be about what the experience associated with it might be. It's not a question of conscious vs unconscious, it is a question of the range of qualities of consciousness. Humans have a broad range. Craig > John K Clark > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/eyWhpUlcJFYJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
