Brent, I think if a 'model' is *complete*, it is not a model, it is the real thing. Consequently it (as the real thing) is not provable from within - Godel, or not. (dON'T ASK ME ABOUT "real", please <G>) JM
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >> Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of >> Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. >> ......(quot4s deleted) > > If the model is complete it must already include us - as well as what we > will think about it and do with it. But then this will run into Godelian > incompleteness. If it is true it will be unprovable within the model. > > Brent > > > So apparently we need to have something in addition to what science has >> given us here. The extra is the self-ascription of location." >> >> p. 83 "Have we now landed in a dilemma for our view of science as >> paradigmatically objective? If we say that the self-ascription is a simple, >> objective statement of fact, then science is inevitably doomed to be >> objectively incomplete. If instead we say it is something irreducibly >> subjective, then we have also admitted a limit to objectivity, we have let >> subjectivity into science." >> >> Evgenii >> -- >> http://blog.rudnyi.ru/tag/bas-**c-van-fraassen<http://blog.rudnyi.ru/tag/bas-c-van-fraassen> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<email@example.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.