Hi Stephen P. King  

Contingent truths (facts) are not always true.
They are constructed by inference or induction by 
man (a la Francis Bacon). Quantities are such.

Necessary truths are/were/shall be always true. They can't be invented,
they have to be discovered. Numbers are such.

Arithmetic or had to exist before man or
the Big Bang woujld not have worked.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 

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From: Stephen P. King  
Receiver: everything-list  
Time: 2012-11-03, 08:06:59 
Subject: Re: On the ontological status of elementary arithmetic 

On 11/3/2012 6:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 

Dear Bruno, 

    No, that cannot be the case since statements do not even exist if the 
framework or theory that defines them does not exist, therefore there is not 
'truth' for a non-exitence entity. 

Brent already debunked this. The truth of a statement does not need the 
existence of the statement. You confuse again the truth of 1+1=2, with a 
possible claim of that truth, like "1+1=2". 

    Horsefeathers! How is the truth of an arithmetic statement separable from 
any claim of that truth? What is the possible value of a statement that we can 
make no claims about? 



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