On 11/3/2012 10:35 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/3/2012 8:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/3/2012 8:21 PM, meekerdb wrote:
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horsefeathers>! How is
the truth of an arithmetic statement separable from any claim of
that truth? What is the possible value of a statement that we can
make no claims about?
You are causing confusion by asking how the truth of a statement is
separable from any claim of that truth. But claims and statements
are the same thing - so of course they are not seperable. Bruno is
saying that the claim/statement is NOT the same as the fact that
makes it true. "1+1=2" is a claim; it's the claim that 1+1=2. And
that's a true claim; it's true that 1+1=2 whether you claim it or not.
It is not about me or any other single individual, it is about
the mutual agreement on the claim by many individuals, any one of
which is irrelevant to the truth of a claim.
Realism (arithmetical or other) is the position that the claim by
EVERY one of which is irrelevant; the truth of the claim depends only
whether it corresponds to a fact.
It your claim is true then truth is unknowable, as facts become
meaningless. Fact require independent verification to exist.
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