On 11/3/2012 11:06 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/3/2012 10:35 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/3/2012 8:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/3/2012 8:21 PM, meekerdb wrote:
Horsefeathers <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horsefeathers>! How is the
truth of an arithmetic statement separable from any claim of that truth? What is the
possible value of a statement that we can make no claims about?
You are causing confusion by asking how the truth of a statement is separable from
any claim of that truth. But claims and statements are the same thing - so of course
they are not seperable. Bruno is saying that the claim/statement is NOT the same as
the fact that makes it true. "1+1=2" is a claim; it's the claim that 1+1=2. And
that's a true claim; it's true that 1+1=2 whether you claim it or not.
It is not about me or any other single individual, it is about the mutual
agreement on the claim by many individuals, any one of which is irrelevant to the
truth of a claim.
Realism (arithmetical or other) is the position that the claim by EVERY one of which is
irrelevant; the truth of the claim depends only whether it corresponds to a fact.
Brent
It your claim is true then truth is unknowable,
I don't see how that follows. When everyone claimed the Earth was flat did that make it
unknowable that it was round? If so how did anyone ever come know it?
as facts become meaningless. Fact require independent verification to exist.
That's directly contrary to the meaning of 'fact'. I think you want the word
'opinion'.
Brent
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Onward!
Stephen
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