Hi Stephen P. King  

Even Berkeley had to admit that no forest, no whatever..
was foolishness and so said that in that case, God
observed it.   Get real.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
11/6/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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Time: 2012-11-06, 10:35:37 
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On 11/6/2012 4:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
> Hi Stephen P. King 
> 
> OK, let me rephrase the question. If a tree 
> falls in the forest with nobody to observe it, will 
> it end up on the ground ? 

Hi Roger, 

     There is no tree nor forest nor ground nor any action in that  
condition. 

> 
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
> 11/6/2012 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On 11/5/2012 2:30 PM, Roger Clough wrote: 
>> Hi Stephen P. King 
>> 
>> A tape recorder could prove your theory wrong. 
> A tape recorder is an example of an observer of sounds, so no, my 
> theory stands. 
> 
>> Berkeley finally gave in and said that realism 
>> was acceptable because God could see or hear it. 
>> 
>> 
>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
>> 11/5/2012 
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On 11/5/2012 10:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
>>> Hi Stephen P. King 
>>> 
>>> Infallibility isn't involved. The typical textbook 
>>> explanation for realism is, "if a tree falls in a 
>>> forest and nobody is there to hear it, would it 
>>> make a sound?" 
>>> 
>>> A realist (such as me) would say "yes." 
>> The logician in me would say "no!" Because a sound is something 
>> that must be capable of being heard to exist. If no one is truly around, 
>> then the noise that the tree might make cannot be heard and thus there 
>> is not a sound. 
>> 
>> 


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