Hi Stephen P. King  

The only two necessary requirements to be a conservative
are that you are fiscally conservative and are
ready to defend your country. Aggressive warfare is out.


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
11/9/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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Time: 2012-11-08, 08:34:19 
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On 11/8/2012 6:23 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
> Hi Stephen P. King 
> 
> Libertarians aren't weird. 
> They're essentially conservatives without a military. 

     Many people that claim to be libertarian imagine that all  
disagreements can be settled w/o violence. That is where they fail to  
comprehend the real world. :_( 

> 
> 
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
> 11/8/2012 
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
> 
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> Time: 2012-11-07, 19:17:21 
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> 
> 
> On 11/7/2012 12:01 PM, Roger Clough wrote: 
>> Hi Stephen P. King 
>> 
>> Sounds reasonable. 
>> 
>> Being a conservative, however, I tend to adopt orthodox views 
>> such as that of Leibniz (to my mind at least) and the Bible. 
> Hi Roger, 
> 
> I am weird. I tend libertarian, but not archarchist. I see 
> orthodoxy as OK but only within limited domains. 
> 
>> 
>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
>> 11/7/2012 
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
>> 
>> 
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>> Time: 2012-11-07, 11:02:01 
>> Subject: Re: Communicability 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/7/2012 9:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
>> 
>> Hi Stephen P. King 
>> 
>> Your criticism might be valid, but I never made the claim that Berkeley 
>> is said to have made. Leibniz, possibly more like you, 
>> would never have made such a claim. Leibniz believed that God 
>> is purposeful (caused things to happen at least partially due 
>> to end causes). 
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Roger, 
>> 
>> My belief in God is anticipatory, in the sense that in the eternal struggle 
>> of Becoming, as I hold to be true that the beliefs of observers will almost 
>> always converge on mutually agreed upon facts and thus those observers will 
>> have physical worlds with lawful or nomic relations without assuming that 
>> avoid Plato? view that a universal can exist without being instantiated, as 
>> we see here: http://www.springerlink.com/content/052422q295335527/. These 
>> convergences are never a priori knowledge, they cannot be computed "ahead of 
>> time". 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
>> 11/7/2012 
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 
>> 
>> 
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>> Time: 2012-11-06, 18:12:43 
>> Subject: Re: Communicability 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/6/2012 11:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
>> 
>> Hi Stephen P. King 
>> 
>> Even Berkeley had to admit that no forest, no whatever.. 
>> was foolishness and so said that in that case, God 
>> observed it. Get real. 
>> 
>> Hi Roger, 
>> 
>> Then you are explicitly admitting that God's only purpose is to be 
>> an Absolute observer in whose eye all truth is definite. The problem is 
>> that such ideas cannot explain how that definiteness is consistent with 
>> the experimental results that confirm the violation of Bell's theorem 
>> and other theorems (Gleason, Kochen-Specker). All I am claiming is that 
>> the totality of all observers act as the absolute observer, not some 
>> hypothetical entity that if examined carefully falls apart as 
>> self-contradictory. What is so blasphemous about claiming that We are God? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --  
>> Onward! 
>> 
>> Stephen 
>> 
> 
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> 
> Stephen 
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