HiBruno Marchal Yes, a computer can have a memory, but it would essentially be (I presume) a non-selective, direct recording of its previous experiences.
Perhaps I am being too demanding, but human memory is not just such a recording. Only events that have important personal emotional content, or those that we focus attention on, are generally recorded. Such as the day JFK was assassinated, or that a stove can burn you, or memorizing the material needed for a quiz or a birthday party. These have personal value. To expect a computer to assemble and maintain such a memory seems to beg credibility. Those events in my life in memory are personal and define who I am from where I was. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/12/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-11, 10:27:35 Subject: Re: I am my memory, which is provided by my 1p. On 11 Dec 2012, at 13:17, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > My personal introspection will always have my personal > memory as context, which a computer will not have. This is weird. Personal computer have already personal memory, even if today they borrow it from their user. But personal memory is easy to implement. Now the 1p is not just memory (even if this is enough in UDA). There is a distinct person quale associated to it. > One can in fact say that I am my memory. In some approximation. > My > memory is the identity of my 1p and is what my 1p sees. > > This is perhaps the most serioous problem of comp. Frankly .... I can understand people not convinced that a computer can have a quale associated to the memory, but memory and personal memory does not pose any problem in computers. Then I have explained why they have a quale too. Bruno > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/11/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-10, 09:29:08 > Subject: Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by > cognitivescience > > > > > On 10 Dec 2012, at 13:59, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Hi Russell Standish > > Actual introspection is subjective, not objective. > Computers as I understand them can only think objectively. > > > But now we know better. Computers are champion in introspection, and > they have a rich subjective life. Even without comp or CTM, and with > just the usual definition of knowledge in analytical philosophy. > > > Bruno > > > > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/10/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Russell Standish > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-09, 01:42:47 > Subject: Re: Re: Introspection (internal 1p) has been dropped by > cognitivescience > > > On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 06:34:56AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Russell Standish >> >> He's talking about psychological introspection using >> everyday language and concepts. Philosophical >> introspection a la Kant for example, is more formal >> and precise and uses formal categories. >> > > I don't see a distinction in the topic, or problem being solved - just > a difference in tools used. > > Modern AI uses less formal logic these days, and more statistical > modelling (such as in the website I referenced). > > Cheers > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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