On 12/15/2012 5:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
It is well understood that to draw conclusions from a
non-faithful sample of a population is to bias any possible
prediction. Why are you focusing on some partition of some
equivalence class: "white, green, pink, yellow, purple, black,...
or "latino, texano, letivo, ... or what ever some finite list you
can come up with to be "a faithful sample" of Reality? I am not
interested in any proclamation by a person or whatever that cannot
possibly be true!
I don't understand the complexity. The US is the richest country
because it had vast natural resources, slaves and immigrants to
extract them, and relatively no real political threats on any
geographic side. Is that not true? The beneficiaries of that wealth
are almost exclusively white Europeans with many customs and values in
common. Many who did not benefit from that prosperity were also white
Europeans but disproportionately they were not. Is that controversial?
What about the Chinese, or, the Icelanders or the natives of Bora
Bora, are they exempt from a debt of social justice to some group of
people currently living merely because they had ancestors that had vast
natural resources, slaves and immigrants to extract them, and relatively
no real political threats on any geographic side. It depends of the
measure of "vast". What difference should it make where one is from or
what one's particular ancestors are when we can arbitrarily define some
past behavior of that class of people to have been criminal in a
retroactive way? If one looks hard enough, any class of people has been
victimized by some other! This fact makes the entire thesis of social
fall apart at the seams.
Or are you saying it's true but meaningless?
I am saying that it is "not even wrong". What I am saying is that
arguments that assume any sort of revisionistic or reverse determinism
must be treated very carefully. They are allowed under very special
circumstances, such as those that Mitra talks about, but in general
situations, not at all.
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