Hi Alberto G. Corona

I'll leave QM up to the physicists. As for myself, I'm trying to understand the status of being of quanta. Let us assume that every atom be a physical body and its quantum the corresponding mental or nonphysical representation. Then the quanta are monads. But monads of a specific type. Ordinary corporeal bodies have simultaneously existing monads, but the situation regarding atoms is contingent. Either the atom is physical or it is monadic, but not both at the same time. Obviously there is some mechanism of a contingent type that causes the quantum wave to collapse. This could be a collision of the wave with an object, or some random interference. But it does not require the creation of a complete universe, which would be unecessary as the situation is complete in itself. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 09:30:24 Subject: Re: Re: the curse of materialism This is the best ? introduction to quantum mechanics: https://www.google.es/search?q=susskind+quantum+mechanics&aq=f&oq=susskind+quantum+mechanics&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3.11316&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 disclaimer: I have not seen it. but I saw some other lectures of this series "the theoretical minimum" ?rom Leonard Susskind and they are awersome. The laws of physics are experimental, and experimental is a form of ad hoc. The Schrodinger equation was made ad hoc to match the experimental results. In the same way, ?elativity: so Michelson did not found any anisotropy in the speed of light? let's make c constant, an see what happens in the equations". So they lack interpretation. the interpretation is post hoc. But if we have not a innate intuition of concepts that can help, there is no possible understanding of them. ?he newtonian laws can be "understood" because our innate notion of phisics is aristotelian, ?nd includes ?he fundamental elements: euclidean 3D geometry, bodies, forces etc. But ?uantum mechanics and relativity can only be -partially- understood intuitively by making partial analogies with innate objects of our intuition.? 2013/1/16 Roger Clough Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Feymann has passed on. He was the one who said that if you think you understand QM, you don't. ?thers have said similar. Here's what Wikipedia has to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_formulations_of_quantum_mechanics "The mathematical formulations of quantum mechanics are those mathematical formalisms that permit a rigorous description of quantum mechanics. Such are distinguished from mathematical formalisms for theories developed prior to the early 1900s by the use of abstract mathematical structures, such as infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces and operators on these spaces. Many of these structures are drawn from functional analysis, a research area within pure mathematics that was influenced in part by the needs of quantum mechanics. In brief, values of physical observables such as energy and momentum were no longer considered as values of functions on phase space, but as eigenvalues; more precisely: as spectral values (point spectrum plus absolute continuous plus singular continuous spectrum) of linear operators in Hilbert space.[1]" I am not able to understand that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/16/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-16, 07:38:37 Subject: Re: the curse of materialism The Newtonian world cannot exist without Quantum world and vice versa. We cannot separate the Quantum theory from Classical theory, the Quantum world from Newtonian material world. The quantum world as real as the physical matter world and we need understand and celebrate their unity. Where is problem ? The problem is, that we don? know how to unite them together. Why ? Because we don? know what Quantum world is and it is almost impossible for us to believe that It can be Aristotle? metaphysical world. Where is the key to solving this problem ? The key has name. Its name is ? Quantum of Light?. ==. P.S. ?? All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me ?o nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it, ?ut he is mistaken. ? ? ? ?/ Einstein / ===.. On Jan 16, 11:01?m, "Roger Clough" wrote: > Hi socra...@bezeqint.net > > You want to know why nobody understands QM ? > Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. > This might be called the curse of materialism. > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/16/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: socra...@bezeqint.net > Receiver: Everything List > Time: 2013-01-15, 11:20:20 > Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. > > Physics and Metaphysics. > > John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum > theory?.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne > === . > > John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory? > the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that > nobody understands quantum mechanics. ? > Why?Because, he wrote: > > ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should. > We shall see in what follows that important interpretative > issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their > eventual settlement not only physical insight but also > metaphysical decision ?. > / preface/ > ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved, > and these are the subject of continuing dispute? > / page 40/ > ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything, > it is that the world is full of surprises? > / page 87 / > ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take > very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory > include: . . . .? > / page 88 / > ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .? > / page92 / > ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and > instructive phenomenon, . .? > / page 92 / > ==. > In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing > what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe: > ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only > physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?. > / preface / > And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge > on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics. > === .Somebody wrote: > > The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?. > I agree. > ===========. > Best wishes. > Israel Sadovnik Socratus. > ===. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. 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