That is the most clear demosnstration that what we perceive is in the mind ,and the rest out of the mind is only mathematics (or some kind of underlying conputation)

Simply speaking 3D geometry in which we see our body and the rest of the colored reality is a product of the mind. The quantum and relativistic mathematics lacks a corresponding qualia of the mind that make them intuitive and "real". They are efective and predictive, but we can not make it apparent and intuitive in our reality. 2013/1/16 Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> > This is the best introduction to quantum mechanics: > > > https://www.google.es/search?q=susskind+quantum+mechanics&aq=f&oq=susskind+quantum+mechanics&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3.11316&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 > > disclaimer: I have not seen it. but I saw some other lectures of this > series "the theoretical minimum" from Leonard Susskind and they are > awersome. > > > The laws of physics are experimental, and experimental is a form of ad > hoc. The Schrodinger equation was made ad hoc to match the experimental > results. In the same way, relativity: so Michelson did not found any > anisotropy in the speed of light? let's make c constant, an see what > happens in the equations". > > So they lack interpretation. the interpretation is post hoc. But if we > have not a innate intuition of concepts that can help, there is no possible > understanding of them. The newtonian laws can be "understood" because our > innate notion of phisics is aristotelian, and includes the fundamental > elements: euclidean 3D geometry, bodies, forces etc. But quantum mechanics > and relativity can only be -partially- understood intuitively by making > partial analogies with innate objects of our intuition. > > > 2013/1/16 Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> > >> Hi socra...@bezeqint.net >> >> Feymann has passed on. He was the one who said that >> if you think you understand QM, you don't. Others have said similar. >> >> Here's what Wikipedia has to say: >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_formulations_of_quantum_mechanics >> >> "The mathematical formulations of quantum mechanics are those >> mathematical formalisms that >> permit a rigorous description of quantum mechanics. Such are >> distinguished from mathematical formalisms >> for theories developed prior to the early 1900s by the use of abstract >> mathematical structures, such as >> infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces and operators on these spaces. Many >> of these structures are drawn from >> functional analysis, a research area within pure mathematics that was >> influenced in part by the needs of quantum mechanics. >> In brief, values of physical observables such as energy and momentum were >> no longer considered as values of >> functions on phase space, but as eigenvalues; more precisely: as spectral >> values (point spectrum plus absolute >> continuous plus singular continuous spectrum) of linear operators in >> Hilbert space.[1]" >> >> I am not able to understand that. >> >> >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/16/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: socra...@bezeqint.net >> Receiver: Everything List >> Time: 2013-01-16, 07:38:37 >> Subject: Re: the curse of materialism >> >> >> The Newtonian world cannot exist without Quantum world >> and vice versa. >> We cannot separate the Quantum theory from Classical theory, >> the Quantum world from Newtonian material world. >> The quantum world as real as the physical matter world and >> we need understand and celebrate their unity. >> Where is problem ? >> The problem is, that we don? know how to unite them together. >> Why ? >> Because we don? know what Quantum world is and it is almost >> impossible for us to believe that It can be Aristotle? metaphysical >> world. >> Where is the key to solving this problem ? >> The key has name. Its name is ? Quantum of Light?. >> ==. >> P.S. >> ? All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me >> no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' >> Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it, >> but he is mistaken. ? >> / Einstein / >> ===.. >> >> >> On Jan 16, 11:01?m, "Roger Clough" wrote: >> > Hi socra...@bezeqint.net >> > >> > You want to know why nobody understands QM ? >> > Because QM is nonphysical, but is treated as being physical. >> > This might be called the curse of materialism. >> > >> > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> > 1/16/2013 >> > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> > ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> > From: socra...@bezeqint.net >> > Receiver: Everything List >> > Time: 2013-01-15, 11:20:20 >> > Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. >> > >> > Physics and Metaphysics. >> > >> > John Polkinghorne and his book ? Quantum theory?. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne >> > === . >> > >> > John Polkinghorne took epigraph for his book ? Quantum theory? >> > the Feynman? thought : ? I think I can safely say that >> > nobody understands quantum mechanics. ? >> > Why?Because, he wrote: >> > >> > ? ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should. >> > We shall see in what follows that important interpretative >> > issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their >> > eventual settlement not only physical insight but also >> > metaphysical decision ?. >> > / preface/ >> > ? Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved, >> > and these are the subject of continuing dispute? >> > / page 40/ >> > ? If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything, >> > it is that the world is full of surprises? >> > / page 87 / >> > ? Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take >> > very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory >> > include: . . . .? >> > / page 88 / >> > ?uantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .? >> > / page92 / >> > ? Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and >> > instructive phenomenon, . .? >> > / page 92 / >> > ==. >> > In my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing >> > what to understand and to solve the problems of the Universe: >> > ? They will demand for their eventual settlement not only >> > physical insight but also metaphysical decision ?. >> > / preface / >> > And, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the world and knowledge >> > on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics. >> > === .Somebody wrote: >> > >> > The science will purify the religion of the ?ross?. >> > I agree. >> > ===========. >> > Best wishes. >> > Israel Sadovnik Socratus. >> > ===. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Alberto. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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