On 19 Jan 2013, at 19:51, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you concentrate on the fairy tales aspect, you do not help the
coming back to seriousness in the field.
There is no "field" of theology, removing the fairy tale aspect of
it would be like removing the skin of a toy balloon.
To say that there is no "field" of theology is equivalent to say "I
know the answer to the fundamental questions", and that you are not
ready to heard any critics.
> If you declare the whole field as intrinsic bs, then it means that
you have a theology, and that you are not aware of it,
I'll tell you what I am aware of, that many people, such as
yourself, are willing to abandon the idea of God but not the word
"God".
I gave you my definition, which is close to the original one used by
those where the first to practice the scientific attitude in a
systematic way, in *all* field.
You seems unaware to take distance from your religious (or pseudo-
religious) education. I might underestimate the brainwashing, and
overestimate your rationality.
>> name something of interest theology has discovered in the last
century, and if that's too hard try the last millennium.
> Theology was part of science, and most of aristotelian science is
born from the naive aristotelianism. So I would not separate the
progress in science from a slow refutation of a part of the greek
theology, done up to now, mainly of Aristotle's physics, biology.
But why should we stop. Comp refutes Aristotle's theology and bring
a simple (arithmetical) intepretation of Plotinus.
All that is very nice, but name something of interest theology has
discovered in the last century, and if that's too hard try the last
millennium.
"interest" is subjective. Without even naive religion, science would
have just not developed. Science is a natural product of the
theological research. Too bad that for political reason human science
is still full of taboo.
> You confirm that atheists are de facto an ally of the Aristotelian
theologian.
Wow, calling a guy know for disliking religion religious, never
heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
You repeat yourself. If you are not conscious of the dogma you
support, it makes hopeless to open your mind on the fundamental
inquiry. You know already the truth.
> by definition, "God" is the ultimate reality,
As I said before many people, such as yourself, are willing to
abandon the idea of God but not the word "God".
As I said, I take the original concept, beyond the people wishful
thinking, which is natural in that field (by the fear of death), and
which is commonly exploited (by the fear sellers).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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