On Monday, January 21, 2013 11:53:07 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:

> Science had to fight every inch of the way against theology and 
> theologians and the fight still isn't over.

That is a fiction of historical revisionism. Science is a kind of 
philosophy, philosophy is a refinement of theology. You will never find a 
civilization which has developed science without philosophy or philosophy 
without some kind of spiritual framework of cosmology. That's just the 
facts, man. The founders of Western Enlightenment science would be quite 
surprised to hear that their invention of science was a fight against 
theology as they were profoundly theological and philosophical in their 
orientation. It is only recently, as the limitations of the narrow Western 
approach are being revealed on a global scale, that science has fallen into 
a fundamentalist pathology which makes an enemy of teleology.

> If you can't immediately figure out how something can be the way it is 
> theology advises you to just give up and say "God did it"; 

Now that we can give up and say "Evolution did it", things are much better, 

> in other words theologians are intellectually lazy, but fortunately 
> scientists are not. 

Scientists are modern theologians. Theologians are pre-scientific 

> But they do have something in common, they both love mysteries. 
> Theologians love mysteries because they like to wallow in ignorance, 
> scientists love mysteries because it gives them something new to try to 
> figure out. 

A Manichean mythology of prejudice. What new mystery are you trying to 
figure out?

> That's why particle physicists would be absolutely delighted if the LHC 
> produced something mysterious that contradicted something they thought they 
> knew and will be very disappointed if nothing like that shows up in one of 
> their detectors. Can you imagine a theologian being delighted to find 
> something that contradicted his faith? I can't.       

You grandly overestimate the integrity of modern science. Can you imagine 
how many physicists there would be at the LHC if it paid the same as being 
a theologian? Can you imagine a scientist finding something that 
contradicted his potential for future paychecks? 

> > What is your theory?
> That theologians are so dumb they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

Sounds like a well-founded scientific theory. "Whatever I dislike is the 
stupidest thing in the world."


>   John k Clark

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