On 1/20/2013 5:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:


On 18 Jan 2013, at 23:37, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/18/2013 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote:

On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have replaced Hemp (for textile, fuel, paper and medication) just from lies and greed. The possible global warming might just be another consequences on the lies on cannabis, drugs etc. Hemp was the oil, before oil. It is the plant that the human have the most cultivated, with maize and wheat, since a very long time. The idea that it is something dangerous is a total complete recent construct, and has only been a Trojan horse for bandits (probably the one losing the job after the end of alcohol prohibition) to get power.

Hi,

Any idea how much land would be required to grow sufficient hemp to supply the millions of barrels that our civilization requires? How much fertilizer? How much labor? Have you seem the quantity of energy that is required to turn corn into fuel. for example? The problem is that hemp and other biomass fuel idea are simply too expensive in terms of energy and man hours to replace petrofuels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_content_of_biofuel


Oh! If wiki says so ...

Note that I did not say that only hemp is needed, nor did I condemn entirely oil and coke. I am a realist. But Ford did the calculus, and for a very long time, if hemp would have just be continued to be used, their would have been a drastic harm reduction, possibly ecological.

There certainly would have been a drastic reduction in industrialization. Ford also considered making car bodies out of soybeans, but that didn't work out either.

"Either?" It did work well with hemp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54vD_cPCQM8

No it didn't, it's the same car

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean_Car


And there would have been no drastic reduction of industrialization, as being pro-hemp does not entail being oil prohibitionist. It is not a matter of going to one dogma to another, but of using common sense and practicing harm reduction.





Between possibly bad and certainly worst, we have to choose the possibly bad, but we know that unscrupulous special interest made the decisions, and that is the problem.

I don't see anything 'unscrupulous' about deciding to exploit the energy embodied in coal and oil.

What was unscrupulous was the lies on Hemp to make it impossible to let it compete with coal and oil, and forest.

There was nothing unique about hemp. Soybeans, corn, wheat, flax, and other crops could provide the fibers and alcohol to make plastics and fuel. So it was not lies about hemp that killed these projects. In any case growing hemp was even subsidized by the U.S. government up through World War II. But the retun-on-energy-investment for fermenting crops into alcohol is not comparable to oil. Alcohol as a fuel from corn is barely above break-even.

Brent





It has been a major factor in creating the modern world. It has created some problems as side effects, but ones that can be solved.

We can hope, but as I said once, I don't really believe we get sanity back in politics without making clear and loud that everything said publicly about hemp since more than seventy years was purposeful lies and brainwashing. Not just on industrial use, but mainly on its use in medication and as a much more safe than alcohol recreative product. The domain of health product should never be nationalized, like the american did. It was a mystery of me, unexplained by the fairy tale attraction, how and why human, especially Americans who we leading the world toward more liberty, can get so much irrational, on a so important matter. After beginning to accept that Jack Herer was right on the discovery that cannabis can cure cancer on muse, purposefully hidden by Bush-father, I get the point. They have put a lot of money and energy in the lies.

Bruno




Brent

Well the real problem is that we tolerate that and that most people buy the media talk without thinking, the real problem is the "boss is right" routine implemented in many mammals. Our brain evolves less quickly that our ideas and technology.

Bruno


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