On 1/17/2013 4:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global
warming. Not me.
But it is not. It is water vapor by orders of magnitude. And the
water vapor concentration, and the clouds depends on cosmic rays, and
cosmic rays depend on solar activity and the variation on the earth
orbit. The hockey stick (false) is of temperatures. And temperatures
are falling now, like were falling in the 70s. The most likely
evolution is towards a new ice age, as you can see clearly in the
graphic.
CO2 do no predict increase of temperatures, it is just the contrary
You can verify that in the graphic. increase of temperature precedes
CO2 increase. This is caused by the increased erosion or carbonate
rocks in the litosphere and the liberation of CO2 by oceans when
temperature raises. The causes of the cycles that you see in the
graphic are due to the orbit of earth around the sun, there is no CO2
causation but the opposite. the correlation exist, but the causation
is just the reverse to the promoted by the alarmists.
Natural sources of CO2 exceed the antropogenic production by orders of
magnitude. a single eruption can produce more CO2 than the entire
human population in a year.
Dear Alberto,
I wish such clear and logical statement where enough. I have found
that almost all alarmist will ignore facts to continue their belief. I
can tell you this as a former member of a cult, it takes almost acts of
god to open people's eyes. Having children did it for me.
2013/1/17 Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com
<mailto:multiplecit...@gmail.com>>
Hi Stephen,
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Stephen P. King
<stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:
On 1/17/2013 1:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The idea of the end of resources comes from Malthus, but
it can be traced much back in time, to some misconceptions
of what is a resource from our evolutionary past. It is
though naturally that a resource is something produced by
the heart, which is not in the hand of the man to
fabricate it. This is due to the fact that the
hunter-gatherer clans where we evolved had no innovation,
there were no agriculture nor industry nor cattle, so the
game passed by and the wild vegetables depleted locally
and the clans had to be nomads in permanent search of new
resources. Infanticide for lack of resources and to keep
it in manageable number for the movements were common
practice.
Many misconceptions come from this primitive mind: because
the resources are finite, more for me means less for you,
because we can no fabricate plants nor animals.
The refusal to admit that the modern economy is not a zero
sum game. The fact is that we can fabricate plants and
animals, and produce new kinds of energy, and find new
resources. Most of the most advanced and valuable thigs
are made with matherials that were worthless before.
Petrol only formed dangerous swamps for the catle before
the combustion engine. Sand were just sand before the
silicon revolution.
The univese is full of energy materials and space at the
disposal of the human intelligence. At this moment we have
not found any contender in the property rights of the
vicinity.
To cry for any foreseeable scacity in the future is ....
primitive. We are hearing these cries since the beginning
of humanity.
The coming of an apocalypsis is an innovation of the
judaic and christian mindset that the post-christian sects
have inherited.
apocalypse means a time of hope (parousia) and suffering
at the en of the time, that inaugurates a new era. Since
Joaquim de Fiore (XIII century) all the western
movements had a form of another belief on apocalipticism
or/and utopic new age.
This apocalipticism is so deep in the western mindset,
that the Naya prophecy of the end of the world is not so.
It is a western re-interpretation of a no-ending cyclic
calendar by western esoterics.
The two reinterpretations: one, the end of the world in
2012 and the other, the beginning of a new era, are just a
direct derivations of the double interpretation of the
Christian apocalypse.
Hi Alberto,
Hear Hear! What mystifies me, more than anything, is the
pessimism and over loathing of the alarmist. We are alive, can
we at least make the best of it? I grew up in something of an
apocalyptic cult - Christian fundamentalist missionary,
constantly told that 'evil communists' where coming at any
minute to torture harm me for 'my belief in Jesus'. Joining
the US Navy cured me of that. Then I discovered physics, logic
and philosophy. How liberating to my soul that was! Now I hear
all this stuff about how humans are "harming the Earth", as
if.... The entire premise of climate alarmism seems centered
on some cultish Earth worship rubbish.
Equating alarmism with criticism based on facts as far as we know,
in blanket generalizing fashion, is neither logical nor deep
philosophy. If the CO2 spike you brought up above is not
sufficient to convince you, then I am open to and await your
version of the facts, as up to now, I see nothing.
PGC
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Onward!
Stephen
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