On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:53:23 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Craig Weinberg > <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>> > wrote: > > >> If you can't demonstrate that one carbon atom is intelligent or > conscious > >> does that mean that trillions of them together can't be either? > > > > > > If your model of physics doesn't include intelligence then it can't > > interpret any behaviors as intelligent or conscious. Determinism is not > even > > physics, it is an ideology based on the behaviors of objects. The > problem > > with it is that rather than making the obvious discovery that no amount > of > > pure objects equals a subject, it tries to insert some cloud of endless > > possibilities in between one object and many objects which obscures the > > obvious. If trillions of something make a subject, then you have to > explain > > why that should be the case - what deterministic purpose does the > subject > > serve, how does it come to be even a possibility if it serves no > purpose, > > etc. > > The theory is that lots of atoms put together in a specific way lead > to intelligence, just as lots of atoms put together in a specific way > lead to gas giant planets.
How is that different in principle from the theory that particular incantations lead to the appearance of demons? > The potential for the gas giant planet was > in the atoms and the potential for intelligence was also in the atoms. > The gas giant planet makes sense given our experience of seeing many small objects from a distance as a cloud or haze. A planet is just a collection of atoms at different densities. Why would that equate to an expectation for intelligence in atoms (or empathy, imagination, sense of humor, or any other magical powers)? Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
