On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:53:23 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Craig Weinberg 
> <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> >> If you can't demonstrate that one carbon atom is intelligent or 
> conscious 
> >> does that mean that trillions of them together can't be either? 
> > 
> > 
> > If your model of physics doesn't include intelligence then it can't 
> > interpret any behaviors as intelligent or conscious. Determinism is not 
> even 
> > physics, it is an ideology based on the behaviors of objects. The 
> problem 
> > with it is that rather than making the obvious discovery that no amount 
> of 
> > pure objects equals a subject, it tries to insert some cloud of endless 
> > possibilities in between one object and many objects which obscures the 
> > obvious. If trillions of something make a subject, then you have to 
> explain 
> > why that should be the case - what deterministic purpose does the 
> subject 
> > serve, how does it come to be even a possibility if it serves no 
> purpose, 
> > etc. 
> The theory is that lots of atoms put together in a specific way lead 
> to intelligence, just as lots of atoms put together in a specific way 
> lead to gas giant planets.

How is that different in principle from the theory that particular 
incantations lead to the appearance of demons?

> The potential for the gas giant planet was 
> in the atoms and the potential for intelligence was also in the atoms. 

The gas giant planet makes sense given our experience of seeing many small 
objects from a distance as a cloud or haze. A planet is just a collection 
of atoms at different densities. Why would that equate to an expectation 
for intelligence in atoms (or empathy, imagination, sense of humor, or any 
other magical powers)?


> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou 

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