On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>> > Last week PLoS ONE received its first impact factor — a stunning 4.351.
> Stunning? Nature = 51.15 Science = 47.72; and you're bragging about a
>> > This puts the open access journal in the top 25th percentile of ISI’s
> There are many thousands of science journals, so that means there are many
> hundreds that are better than PLoS ONE; thus nobody, absolutely positively
> nobody, would publish an article in PLoS ONE that they thought was important
> if they could get it published in a better journal.
>> > where nobel laureates submit articles to.
> I imagine that Nobel laureates have posted lots of stuff on the internet to
> many different message boards over the years, but the question to ask is how
> many of those Nobel laureates received their prize for stuff posted to PLoS
> ONE? Zero. In contrast although I haven't counted it out I would estimate
> that 60% of all the Nobel Prizes given out since 1945 in physics or
> chemistry or medicine was for articles published in just 4 journals, Nature,
> Science, Physical Review Letters, and The New England journal of Medicine.
>> > PLoS ONE is the best known journal of the open-access movement,
> That's like being the most virile eunuch in the harem.
This is getting comically Freudian. :)
>> >I never even mentioned religion in this discussion.
>> "I invite you to pause for a second and notice how religious you are
>> about Science with a capital S."
> Wow, calling a guy known for not liking religion religious! Never heard
> that one before, at least not before the sixth grade.
>>> >> Well if you're that confident then this is a simple no risk way for
>>> >> you to make $1000, hey I'm giving you 10 to 1 odds it's easy money! So
>>> >> are
>>> >> you willing to put your money where your mouth is?
>> > No, I agree with you on the odds.
> But why do you agree with the odds? If a very low ranking journal got
> astonishingly lucky and published a paper of HUGE transcendental importance
> before much higher ranked journals then it's just a matter of time before
> the much higher ranked journals catch on and start publishing articles on
> that subject of their own. But I'll tell you what, because I like you for a
> limited time only I'm willing to increase the odds to 100 to 1; if you
> accept this bet before noon tomorrow on the east coast of the USA and if
> Science or Nature or Physical Review Letters publishes a positive article
> about life after death before April 5 2014 I will give you $10,000, if none
> of them do you only have to give me $100. But wait there's more! As a
> special bonus if you win not only will I give you $10,000 but I will also
> kiss your ass and give you 10 minutes to gather a crowd. Operators are
> standing by, don't delay.
>> > You don't understand what I'm saying at all.
> True, but the question is do you understand what you're saying at all?
What I'm trying to say is that I believe you do not distinguish:
A) Science the method of inquiry
B) Science the human institution
You put both in the same bag. By doing that you fail to apply A to B
and even A to A. This creates a blind spot. As for the scientific
journals, Russel was way more eloquent than me.
> John K Clark
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