On Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:38:16 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > There is no hell >
I wouldn't know, but there are stories out there of hellish NDEs. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/08/is-hell-real-people-who-went-there-say-yes.html "Working with Greyson, Bush identified several types of what she calls “distressing” near-death experiences. Some have the same features as heavenly experiences—bright lights, life flashing before your eyes, etc.—but the person simply interprets them negatively. Another type featured a “void” like Matthew Botsford’s overwhelming blackness or some other type of absolute sensory deprivation. And yet another class, by far the most varied, involved visions of actual hell. [..] "Hell experiences further complicate matters for religious believers, because they have no discernable relation to what kind of life a person has lived. In other words, being a good person who goes to church is no guarantee that you won’t get into a terrible car accident and suddenly find yourself experiencing what feels, in a very real sense, like hell. As Bush has seen, “What we think people deserve has nothing to do with whether they have a glorious experience or a terrible one.”" Craig > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: >>> >>> I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the >>> 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium >>> of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena. >>> When a (human or other) complexity dissolves (= death) nobody comes back >>> to tell the stories. This comes from a 'participant' and long time partner >>> in OUIJA-board sessions of honest friends. I still cannot explain those >>> miraculous experiences (saved my life once) coming allegedly from 'dead' >>> benefactors I knew before they died. >>> >> >> Someone brought a OUIJA board to school in fourth grade and I was using >> it with a friend. Unimpressed, another fourth girl that neither of us knew >> very well said we should ask a question that nobody would know. She asked >> what the name of her bird was. As the word LANCELOT was spelled out, she >> was dumbstruck. This was a very studious 10 year old Asian girl in a highly >> gifted program - we covered a lot of science in class and I think it is >> safe to say that she was scientifically oriented. If she had some secret >> pact with the girl I was doing the board with, she certainly didn't seem >> very happy about it and she didn't seem like a very good actress. She >> seemed confused and worried and did not want any more to do with the board. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> I do not support the reference to the BIG journals (had ~100 >>> publications, some in such, then was editor of a 'smaller' one) - it is >>> 'click-stuff' and refereed by well selected (opinionated) scientists >>> mostly. However the reference to the Nobel prize lost its credibility e.g. >>> with certain (peace)Prize assignment going to a war-monger politician. Even >>> in sciences it occurred that hypothetical and fantasy-based ideas were >>> awarded the Prize (e.g. circumstances of the Big Bang etc.). Not to mention >>> the questionable lit. >>> >>> What does an agnostic like myself believe? that we don't know 'it'. >>> >>> John M >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:56 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Dull in what way? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed >>>> onto a obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize >>>> not just science but the entire world if true are dull. >>>> >>>> > You didn't read the article I guess >>>> >>>> >>>> I have not read it nor do I intend to; let me know when something like >>>> that shows up in Science or Nature or Physical Review letters. >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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