On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <javascript:>>wrote: > > >> it is disconcerting to learn that after trying to make logical points >>> with somebody for over a year to find out that there is not the slightest >>> possibility of logic making any change whatsoever in their beliefs. >>> >> >>> >> > This is exactly what I and some others thought, and said, about your >> posts when you pretend to not understand, or to refute, the first person >> indeterminacy. >> > > I have no trouble understanding first person indeterminacy. I (the first > person) don't know with certainty (indeterminacy) what I am going to see > next and even if I did I wouldn't be certain what I would do next until I > did it. All that is crystal clear, however you claimed to have found a new > sort of indeterminacy unrelated to Quantum Mechanics or what Godel or > Turing found, and despite your repeated efforts I was unable to understand > that at all. With some embarrassment I admit that there have been times in > my life when I pretended to understand something when really I did not, but > I can honestly say that except maybe for a short time as a joke I can't > recall even one time that I pretended not to understand something when > really I did. Some would say I'm stupid enough as it is and don't need to > pretend to be any dumber than I am. > > > The FIP does not require neither Gödel, nor the quantum. It is a simple > consequence of the possibility of the duplicability of machine, and of > the definition of first person that I gave in the comp frame. > > > > > > It is more easy to see the irrationality of others than of oneself >> apparently. >> > > In general that is certainly true but Bruno let me ask you a very serious > question, doesn't all this astrology stuff bother you and make you question > how you allocate your time? Doesn't it bother you to learn that Craig > Weinberg, somebody you have spent a lot of effort debating with, would say > things like "embody the Aquarian tension of revolutionary rationalism > symbolized by the Saturnian-Uranian co-rulership of Aquarius." and "With > their interesting combination of Mars in Libra squaring their Moon and > trining their Sun" and "The Neptune Saturn conjunction with the Jupiter > stellium in Neptune-ruled Pisce" and "There is nothing in numerology or > astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology." and > "Astrology is extremely rational" ? I've got to tell you that finding out > that I have misjudged somebody that massively bothers the hell out of me. > > > I agree with you. But Craig made a lot of invalid arguments well before > this gross statements. As a teacher I am used to bet that crank can > progress, so when an argument is invalid I make the correction. I know that > some people cannot listen, but I keep hope, basically because that's my job. > > His argument for astrology was isomorphic to the main argument in favor of > drug prohibition. Basically a confusion between p->q and q->p. Everyday > that error appears in media, news, etc., be it on terrorism, drug, > religion, etc. I can't help to denounce it wherever it appears. >
When have I ever argued in favor of drug prohibition? Are you confusing me with one of the Right-Wingers? Craig > > Bruno > > > > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
